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Old 07-24-2012, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TheWagman
Ok.... So what's the point of having a golden day then?
They're pointless. Inviolate days at NWA were much better. There is zero penalty to scheduling for rolling a reserve into a Golden Day. It's basically impossible to make solid plans on days off as a reserve.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:13 AM
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Surprised that more hasn't been said about the downfall of our late, great friend Bill Lumburg, considering he was one of the TAs biggest cheerleaders on here. Obviously it was a false-flag disinformation campaign...but on behalf of whom? Management? ALPA? RAA? Or was he some regional guy who really really wanted a shot at flying more 90 seaters?

The silence from shiznit in particular is deafening considering how many times he told me to go back to playing in the regional forum sandbox because I'm not a Delta pilot .
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
They're pointless. Inviolate days at NWA were much better. There is zero penalty to scheduling for rolling a reserve into a Golden Day. It's basically impossible to make solid plans on days off as a reserve.
I disagree - in 3 years on reserve, I've never been forced to work on an X day or a Golden day. Once, there was a mechanical and I was going to be extended (rerouted I guess) into a golden day. I just called Crew Tracking, told them (as it says in When Scheduling Calls) and within 30 minutes I was going to get home as originally scheduled.

But you have to tell crew tracking, they don't know about your schedule, they only know about the trip you're on.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I disagree - in 3 years on reserve, I've never been forced to work on an X day or a Golden day. Once, there was a mechanical and I was going to be extended (rerouted I guess) into a golden day. I just called Crew Tracking, told them (as it says in When Scheduling Calls) and within 30 minutes I was going to get home as originally scheduled.

But you have to tell crew tracking, they don't know about your schedule, they only know about the trip you're on.
That is correct, and a long-time defect of Delta (lack of) Technology. Crew Tracking literally does not see your schedule. They just see crews flying around the system. So if you are on day 3 of 3, and you have vacation starting the next day, Crew Tracking does not know or see that! So in the unlikely but always-possible event that you get rerouted into a longer trip that conflicts with vacation, golden day, etc. you must let Crew Tracking know and they will find someone else.

But this is also the airline industry. If you are scheduled to finish a trip with a "penalty lap" to an outlying station and you break hard up at FNT (or wherever), guess what? You may end up getting stuck overnight and flying into your vacation, etc. But Crew Tracking can not actually reroute you in advance to do that.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I disagree - in 3 years on reserve, I've never been forced to work on an X day or a Golden day. Once, there was a mechanical and I was going to be extended (rerouted I guess) into a golden day. I just called Crew Tracking, told them (as it says in When Scheduling Calls) and within 30 minutes I was going to get home as originally scheduled.

But you have to tell crew tracking, they don't know about your schedule, they only know about the trip you're on.
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That is correct, and a long-time defect of Delta (lack of) Technology. Crew Tracking literally does not see your schedule. They just see crews flying around the system. So if you are on day 3 of 3, and you have vacation starting the next day, Crew Tracking does not know or see that! So in the unlikely but always-possible event that you get rerouted into a longer trip that conflicts with vacation, golden day, etc. you must let Crew Tracking know and they will find someone else.

But this is also the airline industry. If you are scheduled to finish a trip with a "penalty lap" to an outlying station and you break hard up at FNT (or wherever), guess what? You may end up getting stuck overnight and flying into your vacation, etc. But Crew Tracking can not actually reroute you in advance to do that.
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Thanks for the clarification. However, I still have an issue with the fact that there is NO penalty for tracking/scheduling flying a reserve into his/her days off.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:48 AM
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Well I had a plane with a seat with my name on it ready to deadhead home. I spent twenty minutes on the phone with scheduling and reroute. They both had managers on the phone talking to each other and said I had to fly into my day off. Everybody on the phone knew about the golden day. They also knew I had a nice cozy seat on a plane. I was not stuck, the weather was great. The company just needed the best , and only, pilot available!
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Well I had a plane with a seat with my name on it ready to deadhead home. I spent twenty minutes on the phone with scheduling and reroute. They both had managers on the phone talking to each other and said I had to fly into my day off. Everybody on the phone knew about the golden day. They also knew I had a nice cozy seat on a plane. I was not stuck, the weather was great. The company just needed the best , and only, pilot available!
Yes, and you get nothing in return. I am thankful there where a lot of improvements made to the reserve rules/pay over the last year, but I'm still irked by the fact that a reserve pilot is always subject to flying into days off without any compensation.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Yes, and you get nothing in return. I am thankful there where a lot of improvements made to the reserve rules/pay over the last year, but I'm still irked by the fact that a reserve pilot is always subject to flying into days off without any compensation.
I think the schedulers feel terrible when they have to do this. Isn't that enough of a penalty?
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:09 AM
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According to ACL, the negotiating committee was pressed by domestic only reserve pilots for the opportunity to be able to go home for a conjugal visit in-between trips. No more land at 0100 and be back out that afternoon for another 3-day.

International pilots said it was unnecessary, they get plenty of conjugal visits while at work and they're not going to waste negotiating capital on domestic pilots conjugal visits.

So domestic pilots lost.


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Old 07-24-2012, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Well I had a plane with a seat with my name on it ready to deadhead home. I spent twenty minutes on the phone with scheduling and reroute. They both had managers on the phone talking to each other and said I had to fly into my day off. Everybody on the phone knew about the golden day. They also knew I had a nice cozy seat on a plane. I was not stuck, the weather was great. The company just needed the best , and only, pilot available!
If this went down as you have described it, I recommend that you call the ALPA office. You may be due inverse assignment pay, and despite the ALPA-bashing often read here the union get pilots pay protected and compensated all the time for company screwups.
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