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07-17-2009, 11:02 PM
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.... Finally, I think, and folks will disagree, that the junior folks (01 and later) on the North side who frequent this board should not complain too heavily about losing a 100 numbers or so (maybe more) of seniority. I believe that if one runs the numbers, when you came both up to DAL-S pay scales and got your furloughed years added back on to your longevity, you made up for lost pay over time since we only know current events and not future ones. Right now Asia travel (North's widebody strength), is down 17%. I'm sure you would be feeling some displacement pain anyway if you had not merged and maybe worse......
I just had to defend them a little. It really is over and statements like these --whether misunderstood or not-- show that we really should drop it.
Go look over at that US Airways board and be thankful we are not over there (acting like a bunch of four year olds and/or trying to collect damages from someone you might have to fly with someday). Let's make sure we stay this way.
07-18-2009, 01:44 AM
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Looks like my first response was lost in the ethernet. I did misunderstand your point. I read that you were complaining that changes were coming.
I didn't read it as such. I misread it as an unrealistic slam on the results of the merger (nothing to do with the union). Sorry.
I didn't read it as such. I misread it as an unrealistic slam on the results of the merger (nothing to do with the union). Sorry.
07-18-2009, 04:02 AM
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Why should I be thanking some greedy old guy, that should have been gone already. I just talked to a guy that was an SO in ANC that was excited about being able to goto the 330 for his last 3 yrs...
07-18-2009, 04:23 AM
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Why is he greedy? He is just exercising his rights and bidding a position that his seniority and the law allows. Stinks for us junior guys, but them's the breaks. Now if that guy voted himself a pay raise while voting to give up further scope concessions, that would be greedy.
07-18-2009, 04:36 AM
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Looks like my first response was lost in the ethernet. I did misunderstand your point. I read that you were complaining that changes were coming.
I didn't read it as such. I misread it as an unrealistic slam on the results of the merger (nothing to do with the union). Sorry.
I didn't read it as such. I misread it as an unrealistic slam on the results of the merger (nothing to do with the union). Sorry.
07-18-2009, 04:37 AM
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Why is he greedy? He is just exercising his rights and bidding a position that his seniority and the law allows. Stinks for us junior guys, but them's the breaks. Now if that guy voted himself a pay raise while voting to give up further scope concessions, that would be greedy.
07-18-2009, 05:08 AM
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Now isn't this one interesting......
WestJet strikes transport deal with Air France-KLM
Thu Jul 16, 2009
by Susan Taylor
OTTAWA, July 16 (Reuters) - WestJet Airlines Ltd said on Thursday it has struck a deal with Air France-KLM that lets passengers board the European carriers' planes and travel to a final destination in WestJet's Canadian network with a single ticket.
WestJet, Canada's second-biggest airline, said the interline agreement is an "important strategic move" and could lead to a full code-share deal, in which the airlines sell seats on each other's flights.
"Is this significant from a revenue point of view? No question," said independent airline consultant Rick Erickson. "It's almost gravy on your bottom line."
Erickson said that Air Canada executives have said on conference calls that as much as 15 percent to 20 percent of gross revenue comes from alliance partners.
Initially, connections will be made through WestJet's Calgary and Vancouver gateways, with the option to continue on to Vancouver, Calgary or Edmonton.
That provides a "measured and thoughtful approach", said WestJet, which plans to expand the arrangement to its entire Canadian network.
The arrangement will also allow the airlines to try out WestJet's new reservations system software, before a full launch the company has scheduled for the fourth quarter.
Late in 2008, WestJet said it had signed a deal with Sabre Airline Solutions for its SabreSonic reservation system after it was forced to abandon its attempt to have one designed.
"There's some very significant players that fly into Canada that don't have any feed, and I think that WestJet is very likely to sign up a number more of those operators," said Erickson, who heads RP Erickson & Associates.
"WestJet has been utterly besieged by all the big players -- it's a major Canadian airline with increasing fingers throughout North America."
WestJet said in February that it would study a code-share pact with Air France-KLM. In May, such a deal with U.S.-based Southwest Airlines was delayed.
Southwest is committed to the code-share deal, which would have been WestJet's first, but needed to "get its house in order" in the difficult U.S. market, WestJet said.
Full code-share deals provide participating carriers cheaper and easier access to new customers.
Shares of WestJet closed down 1 Canadian cent at C$9.99 on the Toronto Stock Exchange on Thursday.
Erickson, who holds shares in WestJet and Air Canada, said airline stocks are performing poorly in the economic downturn because, as well as being hit by sluggish demand, carriers are affected by such external factors as fuel prices, foreign exchange and fears of the H1N1 flu outbreak.
WestJet strikes transport deal with Air France-KLM
Thu Jul 16, 2009
by Susan Taylor
OTTAWA, July 16 (Reuters) - WestJet Airlines Ltd said on Thursday it has struck a deal with Air France-KLM that lets passengers board the European carriers' planes and travel to a final destination in WestJet's Canadian network with a single ticket.
WestJet, Canada's second-biggest airline, said the interline agreement is an "important strategic move" and could lead to a full code-share deal, in which the airlines sell seats on each other's flights.
"Is this significant from a revenue point of view? No question," said independent airline consultant Rick Erickson. "It's almost gravy on your bottom line."
Erickson said that Air Canada executives have said on conference calls that as much as 15 percent to 20 percent of gross revenue comes from alliance partners.
Initially, connections will be made through WestJet's Calgary and Vancouver gateways, with the option to continue on to Vancouver, Calgary or Edmonton.
That provides a "measured and thoughtful approach", said WestJet, which plans to expand the arrangement to its entire Canadian network.
The arrangement will also allow the airlines to try out WestJet's new reservations system software, before a full launch the company has scheduled for the fourth quarter.
Late in 2008, WestJet said it had signed a deal with Sabre Airline Solutions for its SabreSonic reservation system after it was forced to abandon its attempt to have one designed.
"There's some very significant players that fly into Canada that don't have any feed, and I think that WestJet is very likely to sign up a number more of those operators," said Erickson, who heads RP Erickson & Associates.
"WestJet has been utterly besieged by all the big players -- it's a major Canadian airline with increasing fingers throughout North America."
WestJet said in February that it would study a code-share pact with Air France-KLM. In May, such a deal with U.S.-based Southwest Airlines was delayed.
Southwest is committed to the code-share deal, which would have been WestJet's first, but needed to "get its house in order" in the difficult U.S. market, WestJet said.
Full code-share deals provide participating carriers cheaper and easier access to new customers.
Shares of WestJet closed down 1 Canadian cent at C$9.99 on the Toronto Stock Exchange on Thursday.
Erickson, who holds shares in WestJet and Air Canada, said airline stocks are performing poorly in the economic downturn because, as well as being hit by sluggish demand, carriers are affected by such external factors as fuel prices, foreign exchange and fears of the H1N1 flu outbreak.
07-18-2009, 06:42 AM
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07-18-2009, 06:45 AM
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07-18-2009, 06:47 AM
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It is a new precedent, I will give you that. I am sure that future arbitrated awards will take that in to account.
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