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Old 07-16-2012, 07:16 AM
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Lighten up, Francis.

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Old 07-16-2012, 08:04 AM
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All my previous vaccinations have been with the military, therefore they are all logged on a computer generated DD Form. Now I'm about to start flying internationally. Do I have to get it transcribed into the yellow international vaccination log like I used to have? Anyone out there dealt with this before?

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Old 07-16-2012, 08:18 AM
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All my previous vaccinations have been with the military, therefore they are all logged on a computer generated DD Form. Now I'm about to start flying internationally. Do I have to get it transcribed into the yellow international vaccination log like I used to have? Anyone out there dealt with this before?

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Only one they have cared about was the Yellow Fever. But keep a copy of the others or have base medical transcribe to a yellow card if you're concerned.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:54 AM
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Only one they have cared about was the Yellow Fever. But keep a copy of the others or have base medical transcribe to a yellow card if you're concerned.
My experience has been the same as dragon.
The various bureaucrats around the world only look for yellow fever. I'd put that one on the old style yellow form and have somebody on the base put a stamp on it to make it official.

All the rest are for your personal health. Whatever you're comfortable doing. Nobody checks them.
I tend to get all the vaccinations I can get but I know some people are afraid they might contain mercury or they are just opposed to them on principle or think they do more harm than good, etc. etc.

I'd definitely get malaria pills if you're flying the Africa trips.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:06 AM
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This week's trim tab is interesting. Apparently the sick leave monitoring program went away on the 1st with the new PWA but the verification clause doesn't kick in until the new sick year.
Oh that just makes me sick.

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Old 07-16-2012, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jherk02
All my previous vaccinations have been with the military, therefore they are all logged on a computer generated DD Form. Now I'm about to start flying internationally. Do I have to get it transcribed into the yellow international vaccination log like I used to have? Anyone out there dealt with this before?

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You're over vaccinated.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:42 AM
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Oh that just makes me sick.

Speaking of sick, why does sick usage count against the block hour limit? I'm not even close to it at over 280 hours, but I did use all my sick leave before going on STD for one month, and it factors into my block hour limit. I've only flown about 350 hours this year.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:20 AM
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Speaking of sick, why does sick usage count against the block hour limit? I'm not even close to it at over 280 hours, but I did use all my sick leave before going on STD for one month, and it factors into my block hour limit. I've only flown about 350 hours this year.
Probably because there are a few guys who would abuse it if it weren't included. Bag out sick for trips, then double dip on off days for double or triple pay. You know (some) guys would do it and that's probably we all have that rule.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:48 AM
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It is a fairly involved calculation. Since I'm not a proponent of this plan, I don't plan on taking the time to do the math. Off the top of my head, though, I'm guessing that if we had the same pay for the 737, 757, 767, 747, 777, and A330, the weighted average of the current rates would be right around 767-300 pay. Getting this as a 737 captain would be a great deal; getting this as a 747 captain, not so much.

If you can show me, keeping this on a cost neutral basis, how this doesn't screw a senior while it benefits a junior guy, I'm all ears. Your talk about TVM and flattened scales is merely obscuring the facts. You're not going to win me over with the argument you posted above.
Since the merger I've become a much bigger proponent of the LGBP system. Prior to the merger I went from 65% on the 767 to 55% on the 88. MSP pilots saw the company move 330s and now must commute if they want to chase the money. ATL has seen 1/2 the 777 and 764 time move elsewhere. A pilot senior enough to be on the bottom 1/2 of these types must commute or move to maintain his current salary. The company is taking advantage of the merger by moving aircraft to whatever base it makes the most sense to. The problem is that many pilots have lost big money or QOL in the process. I'm all for the flexibility and profitability of the company. However, having our pay tied to a/c size means that unless you're super senior you will at some point lose by moving down in seniority on your current plane, displacing off it to something smaller or commuting.

I would argue that seniority would be truly honored in an LGBP system. If you don't like long trips on a 777 and would prefer to be home every night doing island flying you could choose to do that and not take a paycut in the process. We associate fleet types with seniority but I think its mostly because of the pay. If you love international, you could choose the airplane that gives you the trips you want. Most importantly, if the company moves airplanes around you don't lose money.
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The reason we've all lost so much is the total reduction of flying, not the pay scheme. If not for that, the merger's reshuffling of fleets would simply be a one-time event, and we'd all have advanced enough to void any concern.

LBP isn't the cure for what ails us, airframes are. In fact, LBP is a sure-fire way to make... shrinkeage more painful.

Why do you guys not see that the companies want such a scheme, but are too timid to ask for it outright? They ask for pay banding, thinking we'd never go for something as outrageous as LBP.
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