Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-10-2012, 07:19 PM
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Been thinking....if Delta were the Adams Family, what aircraft would be what character? I'm thinking that the Mad Dog HAS to be Uncle Fester....Mortisha is the A-330, she speaks french....Lurch is the 747....Is Pugsly the 9? A-320?
07-10-2012, 08:10 PM
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I don't understand. We will get a 19 percent increase to our hourly rates, and our 737 first officers in 2015 will still make less money than Southwest's 737 first officers do today. DALPA said our contract is industry-leading. Wait, I get it. Southwest is not in our industry. We are legacy-leading.
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07-10-2012, 08:13 PM
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It's 19.7% in pay rates, and then at least another .3% in per diem or intl override. Throw in average day of 4:30, and it will be at least 20%. Say it!!!
07-10-2012, 08:19 PM
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Some of our current 737 FOs will be 717 Capts then, making an extra $70 an hour. How much of a raise is that? 30 MD90s will replace the 17 current DC9-50s, and by the end of 2015 we will have 88 717s that will pay $195 an hour for the Capt by then. Say it won't happen. SAY IT!!!!!
They also won't see their customers ride on a CRJ-200 flown by an understaffed circus of an airline.
07-10-2012, 08:28 PM
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Not many will. When they retire one guy, one FO moves up, and they hire one. At DL or any Major, one top guy leaves, and 10 move up. Adding any growth aircraft does the same, but maybe not 10 guys moving up, maybe 4 or 5 depending on where the upgrading Capt comes from. (widebody FO or narrowbody FO). Still, it equals good upward movement and pay raises. At Southwest, not so much. And have you checked out any new Capt rates in 2015 for any DL plane bigger than a 737? A lot more than Southwest, FINALLY. How many DL 737 Capts will move up to bigger equipment in future years? It will be really nice. Southwest will slow considerably when younger AirTran pilots start moving into Southwest Capt ranks and stay for 30 years. And did you know 200+ 50 seaters you hate will be leaving the fleet within the next 3 years? You're welcome.
07-10-2012, 08:30 PM
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no not the birds, the nose gear crushing the earth...
Just trying to take your advice on making sure they knew they "arrived" lol
07-10-2012, 08:40 PM
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07-10-2012, 08:47 PM
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Some of our current 737 FOs will be 717 Capts then, making an extra $70 an hour. How much of a raise is that? 30 MD90s will replace the 17 current DC9-50s, and by the end of 2015 we will have 88 717s that will pay $195 an hour for the Capt by then. Say it won't happen. SAY IT!!!!! (in Van Damme voice during Kumite ending in the movie "Bloodsport")
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07-10-2012, 08:52 PM
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I was being sarcastic, guess it didn't come across that way even though I used a
. Just stating that the original poster made it seem like this 717 deal is a lot better for the company than ALPA thought. Original poster implied that it will save the company $750 million next year alone. I believe the article is not written well because I have to believe, as stated by shiznit, that the savings must be from the entire refleeting project. There is no way that just 16 airplanes (717's) next year are going to save us that kind of money. My thoughts anyway.
07-10-2012, 09:33 PM
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Not many will. When they retire one guy, one FO moves up, and they hire one. At DL or any Major, one top guy leaves, and 10 move up. Adding any growth aircraft does the same, but maybe not 10 guys moving up, maybe 4 or 5 depending on where the upgrading Capt comes from. (widebody FO or narrowbody FO). Still, it equals good upward movement and pay raises. At Southwest, not so much. And have you checked out any new Capt rates in 2015 for any DL plane bigger than a 737? A lot more than Southwest, FINALLY. How many DL 737 Capts will move up to bigger equipment in future years? It will be really nice. Southwest will slow considerably when younger AirTran pilots start moving into Southwest Capt ranks and stay for 30 years. And did you know 200+ 50 seaters you hate will be leaving the fleet within the next 3 years? You're welcome.
Even though the vote went 62%-38%, I bet* 100% of APC'ers when they meet in the real world at some point will ask one another, "What the hell is wrong with Bill Lumberg?"
*[Ts, 80, whoever Ts is looking for, or anyone else, I do not really want to bet. It's a joke.]
That is all.....
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