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Old 07-09-2012, 12:54 PM
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That is not correct. Reserves have the same duty time limits as lineholders.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:05 PM
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After playing around with Airwatch I am definitely keeping Goodreader. I hope this is not the final product...
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:11 PM
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Wait...there's more...15 hr 18 min FAR Duty Time yesterday, which I don't think will be allow under the new duty time rules since I began at 5 AM. Tower in Nassau lost power for a couple hours, then restored power & we left. I called crew tracking with my duty time concerns. I think the new duty limit for that time of day is 14 hours.

Finally, ALL flights ATL-DFW have about 80 standby's trying to get home. So chilling at a hotel in ATL on my first golden day waiting until American has open seats or until my now scheduled jumpseat is available.

Thank you scheduling and crew tracking. Looking forward to the day when I get off reserve.
If you had a 15:18 FAR day yesterday then you were in violation of the contract. Know your contract and enforce it.
Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by redship
After playing around with Airwatch I am definitely keeping Goodreader. I hope this is not the final product...

Its not. It is short term locker to get us moving in the correct direction. The word on the street is a tablet that will not just have manuals, but Jepps, Scheduling and Maintenance on it as well. We shall see if it get rolled out.

Talking to a FA on the Next Gen group, they are looking at the Samsung Galaxy for the tablet.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.
Scheduling was correct.

I am sure sailing was confused by the term "duty" Duty and FAR duty time as it pertains to domestic reserves in Whitlow are two different things.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.
The max domestic scheduled duty time is 13.00 hours scheduled and 15:00 actual. If it was a very early sign in those times are reduced but can never exceed 15:00 with a 2 man crew. I suspect you are somehow confusing Whitlow with duty. Whitlow was a add on rule after the AA little rock accident. Whitlow has nothing to do with being on duty. Whitlow requires that in any given time period a domestic pilot must be able to look back and find 8 hours rest in any 24 hour period. Whitlow is not duty time and is not considered being on duty contractually or by the FAA.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.
You didn't violate anything. SC is not rest nor is it duty. You must be able to look back at the end of a leg (including 30 minute release) and find 8 hours of rest in the previous 24, which is where the 16 hour "duty" day for reserves comes into play.

Now. If your contractually "scheduled" duty day was 13 (or less) hours, you would have been able to stop at 15 as that would be contract plus two.

That is all......
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Its not. It is short term locker to get us moving in the correct direction. The word on the street is a tablet that will
ACL,

Im sorry to ask this but I cant see where we (ALPA and Company) have answered this concretely:

Is there any chance, now or in the future, that the Airtran boys can come with the 717s?? I would hate to see a lawsuit in 7 years regarding this.

Do we have any guarantees?

Thanks,

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Old 07-09-2012, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
ACL,

Im sorry to ask this but I cant see where we (ALPA and Company) have answered this concretely:

Is there any chance, now or in the future, that the Airtran boys can come with the 717s?? I would hate to see a lawsuit in 7 years regarding this.

Do we have any guarantees?

Thanks,

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The only thing you may reference is SD's memo.
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The max domestic scheduled duty time is 13.00 hours scheduled and 15:00 actual. If it was a very early sign in those times are reduced but can never exceed 15:00 with a 2 man crew. I suspect you are somehow confusing Whitlow with duty. Whitlow was a add on rule after the AA little rock accident. Whitlow has nothing to do with being on duty. Whitlow requires that in any given time period a domestic pilot must be able to look back and find 8 hours rest in any 24 hour period. Whitlow is not duty time and is not considered being on duty contractually or by the FAA.
Reference section 12.E.4

You can remain on duty beyond the 15 hours at your discretion up to the 16 hour limit. This is duty time which does not begin until you report. However, for a reserve on short call then your rest ended at the beginning of short call and therefore subject to 16 hour limitation. You can also reference the flow chart on page 22 of "When Scheduling Calls".
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