Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-09-2012, 04:21 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: ATL717A
Posts: 890
As a bonus, they woke up my wife at 0500 looking for me, even though I was six miles over Memphis about then.
June sucked bad for me, and July is shaping up so far to be equally crappy.
07-09-2012, 04:27 AM
Pog Ma Hoin
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 7ER B
Posts: 208
Heyas Sink,
Here's the thing. Most guys who bite off on an early out program were setting up to go early anyway.
The guys who's personal situation prevented them from going aren't going to be swayed by this deal any more than the previous two offers. The little bit of quid that this one provides isn't going to help anyone paying an alimony/child support bill (or two), a boat payment, house payment, kids in college, or god forbid, a spouse or child with a serious medical problem.
If anything, the TA ensured that those very people will stay, because they need the money.
The principal goal of this early out program was probably as a sales device for the TA. Something to take a little bit of the sting out of the work rule concessions. Now that the TA is said and done, the guys who where going to go anyway will go, and the guys who were going to stay put will still be here.
Nu
Here's the thing. Most guys who bite off on an early out program were setting up to go early anyway.
The guys who's personal situation prevented them from going aren't going to be swayed by this deal any more than the previous two offers. The little bit of quid that this one provides isn't going to help anyone paying an alimony/child support bill (or two), a boat payment, house payment, kids in college, or god forbid, a spouse or child with a serious medical problem.
If anything, the TA ensured that those very people will stay, because they need the money.
The principal goal of this early out program was probably as a sales device for the TA. Something to take a little bit of the sting out of the work rule concessions. Now that the TA is said and done, the guys who where going to go anyway will go, and the guys who were going to stay put will still be here.
Nu
It is my understanding that there are many FNWA pilots who are forfeiting pension payments because they are still working. Essentially they are working for healthcare and per-diem. Many of these pilots are closer to retirement today than they were for the previous two. The RMA appears to be designed to help fill the void they may have for their final few years here. I hope and have a gut feeling that many FNWA pilots will take it.
07-09-2012, 04:40 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,530
Many travelers may want to keep their boarding priority as long as possible. (thought I was going to make the last flight when a family of eight with 1980 showed 30 mins before departure.). Ugghh.....
07-09-2012, 04:57 AM
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: MSP7ERB
Posts: 1,886
Thanks Jughead & Columbia, sounds like the pain is being evenly distributed this summer.
07-09-2012, 05:39 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 767ER capt
Posts: 1,190
I'm not sure this is the same as the last two.
It is my understanding that there are many FNWA pilots who are forfeiting pension payments because they are still working. Essentially they are working for healthcare and per-diem. Many of these pilots are closer to retirement today than they were for the previous two. The RMA appears to be designed to help fill the void they may have for their final few years here. I hope and have a gut feeling that many FNWA pilots will take it.
It is my understanding that there are many FNWA pilots who are forfeiting pension payments because they are still working. Essentially they are working for healthcare and per-diem. Many of these pilots are closer to retirement today than they were for the previous two. The RMA appears to be designed to help fill the void they may have for their final few years here. I hope and have a gut feeling that many FNWA pilots will take it.
07-09-2012, 06:32 AM
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
About a year ago, the prevailing sentiment on this and the ALPA board was that the guys with pensions would leave in droves if we only had a medical plan for retirees. Now that DALPA has negotiated one, we'll see if they meant it, or we're just blowing smoke. I want to believe they'll go, but I'm still not expecting much. I hope I'm wrong...
Fire away.
07-09-2012, 06:50 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,716
Very few if any that are still here have the "big" pension from flying the wide-body, a lot of the pilots frozen portion is less than PBGC, plus no HCTC.
07-09-2012, 07:38 AM
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
For a pilot that is 55 130K is probably not what they are looking for to punch out. Give the severance and a RMA double that and many more would consider it. Guys want that RMA to supplement Medicare or Tricare.
07-09-2012, 07:40 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: DAL Pilot
Posts: 1,133
I just tried it on my stock Android browser and it worked fine. I'm running Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0.4 on an HTC Incredible. What kind of phone do you have and what's the version of Android you have?
07-09-2012, 07:42 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: DAL Pilot
Posts: 1,133
I'm flying with a 320 Captain who turns 64 in a couple weeks. He's taking the early out. Although, he doesn't think they'll give it to him because he's too junior.
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