Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-06-2012, 02:04 PM
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A good sign:
Fly on the wall at a bar room bull session on layover with several senior captains and they were discussing the early out thing.
They think the numbers look pretty good. Consensus was that nwa guys with DB pensions will take the deal in large numbers. It would be foolish to pass it up. Many dal types will jump on it as well.
Looks like the number of takers may come in on the high side of expectations.
Fly on the wall at a bar room bull session on layover with several senior captains and they were discussing the early out thing.
They think the numbers look pretty good. Consensus was that nwa guys with DB pensions will take the deal in large numbers. It would be foolish to pass it up. Many dal types will jump on it as well.
Looks like the number of takers may come in on the high side of expectations.
07-06-2012, 02:08 PM
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Position: SLC 767ER Captain
Posts: 602
As I see it, there is a basic flaw in this discussion. You are using a flawed comparision metric.
We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.
If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.
Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.
To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?
We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.
If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.
Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.
To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?
07-06-2012, 02:10 PM
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Posts: 394
As I see it, there is a basic flaw in this discussion. You are using a flawed comparision metric.
We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.
If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.
Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.
To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?
We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.
If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.
Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.
To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?
07-06-2012, 02:11 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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Position: Light Chop
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A good sign:
Fly on the wall at a bar room bull session on layover with several senior captains and they were discussing the early out thing.
They think the numbers look pretty good. Consensus was that nwa guys with DB pensions will take the deal in large numbers. It would be foolish to pass it up. Many dal types will jump on it as well.
Looks like the number of takers may come in on the high side of expectations.
Fly on the wall at a bar room bull session on layover with several senior captains and they were discussing the early out thing.
They think the numbers look pretty good. Consensus was that nwa guys with DB pensions will take the deal in large numbers. It would be foolish to pass it up. Many dal types will jump on it as well.
Looks like the number of takers may come in on the high side of expectations.
07-06-2012, 02:13 PM
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Position: SLC 767ER Captain
Posts: 602
Thanks for saying so Scoop. I voted yes to pay Cobra benefits everytime. I even had furloughed guys stop in at the cockpit and thank us for doing so. Just like you, most guys were very appreciative of that and didn't call us "DBD,s"
07-06-2012, 02:24 PM
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There is a bug in the contect locker for the new online manuals. If you change your password, you cannot view documents without downloading them again.
07-06-2012, 02:32 PM
On Reserve
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07-06-2012, 03:05 PM
No longer cares
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Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Anything above 80 hours can go. Remember this fellas... you put it in to the bank at the rate you are making NOW.. when you take it out.. you will take it out at the rate you are making when you take it out. If you stay in the same seat, that time is worth 8.5% more than when you put it in.. OR.. 16% on an annualized basis.. If you are planning on an upgrade or moving up.. THAT is serious return.
07-06-2012, 03:24 PM
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Posts: 28
RLL bid question
Anyone know about the new PWA RLL bid details...I am bidding for August SEA330...ALV is 77 hours so reserve guarentee is 75 hours. It looks like I would qualify for the RLL option since the bid packet shows down to 146 on the fo list and I bid 138. There are some trips at the lower limit of the LCW that are worth about 69:30 but I would rather get an RLL to get me up to the reserve guarentee or just be on straight reserve for the extra 5 or so hours. Not sure if I would qualify for the RLL if they can build me in the Line Construction Window so I would get stuck with a 70 hour month with hopes of adding a small trip later in the month. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated before I have to sit on hold trying to get some bid advice on the bid help line. I would rather hold a schedule with at least 73 hours credit and have some control of my QOL otherwise but do not want to get stuck with under 70 hrs now that reserve guarentees have increased dramatically.
07-06-2012, 03:49 PM
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Position: 737n/FO
Posts: 667
wow, so because things were bad for you they should be bad for everyone else? You should want to improve the profession for people coming along behind you. Sorry, ya had it rough back then, but that's not an excuse for continuing the trend. Also, we have all "paid our dues" in some way long before being at Delta. Whether it was flying in Iraq or getting your butt kicked on reserve at a regional. People that get hired here aren't "noobs".
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