Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-06-2012, 09:05 AM
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07-06-2012, 09:08 AM
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Delta should do what we do here at Pinnacle, offer the hotel but allow the pilot to opt out and save the company half the money, and the pilot gets paid for half his/her living expenses.
Pinnacle has single occupancy hotel paid for by the company on day one of training as well as positive space home on the weekends.
Pinnacle has single occupancy hotel paid for by the company on day one of training as well as positive space home on the weekends.
They have to with starting pay where its at. A new hire at DAL is making a lot more than a three or four year FO at a regional. On a 75 hr reserve guarantee its 46.67 bucks an hr.
DAL also PSY's a new hire pilot home if there is a break in training. Not just a week break but one of more than a couple of days. They also PSY a spouse down for the new hire dinner. That dinner is at least 50 a head as well.
07-06-2012, 09:25 AM
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As I see it, there is a basic flaw in this discussion. You are using a flawed comparision metric.
We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.
If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.
Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.
To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?
We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.
If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.
Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.
To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?
07-06-2012, 09:30 AM
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As I see it, there is a basic flaw in this discussion. You are using a flawed comparision metric.
We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.
If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.
Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.
To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?
We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.
If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.
Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.
To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?
Does one of these employees get a paid hotel room and per diem when at their "home" or "base" DAL considers all "new hire pilots" in domicile when in ATL or MSP for initial training. Now we are getting some where.
When does a pilot start working under the PWA?
07-06-2012, 09:38 AM
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07-06-2012, 09:44 AM
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Transactions must be requested before the last day of the month, so if you are going to be close don't wait around to see what the final credit number is. You can request "in the blind" meaning you can tell the computer you want to deposit 5 hours, if you only credit 82.5, the bank will deposit 2.5 hours and disregard the rest.
If you are negative, the computer will automatically take up to 5 hours per month over 80 until you are back to 0.
For reference it is Sec. 12 O.
07-06-2012, 09:46 AM
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07-06-2012, 09:52 AM
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Fine. I hope it will help.
07-06-2012, 09:53 AM
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I never thought about this, I'm going to go look it up. 
Okay... if you have not finished your initial OE then you are an entry level pilot. But you're given a seniority number on day 1 and the PWA governs how that seniority number is assigned. But if I remember right the union cannot represent you until you are finished.
Hmmm. Well my guess is day 1 if your seniority number is assigned on day 1 then you meet the definition of a pilot.
Did I get it right?
Okay... if you have not finished your initial OE then you are an entry level pilot. But you're given a seniority number on day 1 and the PWA governs how that seniority number is assigned. But if I remember right the union cannot represent you until you are finished.
Hmmm. Well my guess is day 1 if your seniority number is assigned on day 1 then you meet the definition of a pilot.
Did I get it right?
07-06-2012, 09:57 AM
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