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07-05-2012, 06:54 PM
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and it's a cheap thing to do to cash-strapped folks who are already dipping into investments due to pay cuts from training pay and first year pay.
I was at the senior level in the military chain and I did not have the attitude of "screw the guys at the bottom, I got mine". I did not ask my righteous self, "what was I thinking?"
I was at the senior level in the military chain and I did not have the attitude of "screw the guys at the bottom, I got mine". I did not ask my righteous self, "what was I thinking?"
07-05-2012, 06:56 PM
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07-05-2012, 07:01 PM
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You want to spend negotiating capital on where new hires get to live while in training? I made 1500 a month for the first six months before going to 25 bucks an hour. Then we got to graduate to the b scale. Sorry, no for me. My first year I ate through savings to support my family, now new hires are getting over 60 an hour.
07-05-2012, 07:01 PM
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So I guess we line pilots should pay extra so that the new pilot Plebe's don't have to go through what every single other Delta Pilot in history has gone through? I’m not a ladder puller, but com’on. Wow, no B scale, no FE position lasting for several years, a much higher FO rate, many going right to the 757. Hmmmm, where was that ladder again? Boo Hoo, the new hires have to pay for their initial stay in training. It would be nice if DAL paid for it, but I’m certainly not willing to negotiate for it. Call me a ladder puller if you like, but what a crock. You guys on the bottom will someday be on the top asking your righteous selves, “What was I thinking?” What a bunch of whiners.
To me, this just makes Delta look cheap and corporate. To you, apparently, it's a rite of passage to become a Delta Plebe..err.. I mean new hire. Long gone are the days where pilots would do anything..everything...just to be a Delta pilot. There's plenty of other attractive offers out there, and this nickel and dime BS just makes us look less attractive to good, solid applicants.
07-05-2012, 07:03 PM
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It's the Golden Rule...do unto others as you would have them...etc. When they're going through initial training they're still Delta pilots on the Delta seniority list. Just because you or I got treated like crap doesn't justify continuing the cycle. The new hire coordinator, BB, initially thought those costs were covered, then was embarrassed to point out several days later that it wasn't, and it's a cheap thing to do to cash-strapped folks who are already dipping into investments due to pay cuts from training pay and first year pay.
New hires don't get to vote on contracts, so they don't get a say in how they should get treated. It behooves us to vote to treat them like family, not someone to take advantage of. I am willing to negotiate for it.
I was at the senior level in the military chain and I did not have the attitude of "screw the guys at the bottom, I got mine". I did not ask my righteous self, "what was I thinking?"
New hires don't get to vote on contracts, so they don't get a say in how they should get treated. It behooves us to vote to treat them like family, not someone to take advantage of. I am willing to negotiate for it.
I was at the senior level in the military chain and I did not have the attitude of "screw the guys at the bottom, I got mine". I did not ask my righteous self, "what was I thinking?"
What's funny, I remember being one of the first new hire groups at Coex that didn't pay for training and we got our hotels paid for. Guys were ****ed! I guess they still wanted PFT?
Anyways, when I was instructing in college the University had a policy that said undergrad = undergrad so we cannot pay an undergrad CFI teaching students to fly anymore than we pay the undergrad hungover putting books up at the library... on the wrong shelves. So minimum wage it was for several years. Now they're multiple multiple times higher, which begs the question, should I be happy they fixed that or mad that they fixed that? I'm going with happy.
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07-05-2012, 07:06 PM
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We are the only legacy carrier that requires new hires to pay their own way during training as far as I know. In fact, most of the Regionals provide lodging to their new hires. Maybe back in your day it was the norm to expect guys to pay their own way, but we are way behind the rest of the industry in this. Yes, I as a line pilot would be more than willing to give a little so that our new hires (not Plebes... This is a business, not a service academy) don't have to suffer an additional financial hardship before coming to work on first year wages.
To me, this just makes Delta look cheap and corporate. To you, apparently, it's a rite of passage to become a Delta Plebe..err.. I mean new hire. Long gone are the days where pilots would do anything..everything...just to be a Delta pilot. There's plenty of other attractive offers out there, and this nickel and dime BS just makes us look less attractive to good, solid applicants.
07-05-2012, 07:12 PM
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SWA (I know they aren't a legacy) requires a type rating!! I'm guessing that's about $7k-10k out of pocket....not saying I agree with our (DAL) policy, just stating a fact of another airline.
07-05-2012, 07:13 PM
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It should work out pretty well. Bring on the 717s and park 9s, 88s, 757s, etc all at the same time. No hiring required, and still get the new 76ers.
07-05-2012, 07:17 PM
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07-05-2012, 07:24 PM
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Yeah, it's pure speculation and I hope to be wrong. 
I tried to read the Crew Resources update with a positive outlook, but I kept seeing more cutbacks, cities we are losing, etc. And DCI still doing 75%+ of the slot swap flying just drives me nuts! Here's to some new hires this fall.
I tried to read the Crew Resources update with a positive outlook, but I kept seeing more cutbacks, cities we are losing, etc. And DCI still doing 75%+ of the slot swap flying just drives me nuts! Here's to some new hires this fall.
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