johnso29

I've received several publications stating when the new sick policy goes into effect. Try actually reading what they send you.

From the Negotiator's Notepad 12-12

Sick Leave

The various changes to sick leave will be phased in over the next 12 months.

Effective July 1, 2012:

-Expanded eligibility for sick leave due to dental care

-Elimination of Sick Leave Monitoring Program

-Ability for a Chief Pilot to enquire regarding the medical reason for a pilot’s use of sick leave when an individual circumstance, other than the amount of sick leave used by the pilot or the frequency of his sick occurrences, gives him a good faith basis to do so

-Reimbursement of any reasonable expense incurred by the pilot in obtaining a doctor’s certificate required by the Company

-Restriction of the Company’s ability of a pilot to release his medical records to a Company-designated doctor to times when such an individual circumstance exists

-Requirement to allow a pilot who has exhausted his sick leave no less than seven days to confirm that he will be unavailable for the remaining portion of his line before removing from that line

Effective January 1, 2013:

-Elimination of 75% pay for sick leave and the associated rolling three-year bank

-Requirement to verify individual sick leave occurrence that is 15 days or longer

-Ability for a pilot who returns from disability and who has exhausted his sick leave hours for the current sick leave year to elect to transfer up to 50 hours from the subsequent sick leave year accrual
Effective June 1, 2013:

-Sick leave accrual increase to 270 hours for a pilot with at least 20 years of service

-Notification requirement when sick or well

-Increase in pay for known sick or accident leave to the greater of a pro rata portion of the ALV or reserve guarantee or the pilot’s shadow award in PBS

-Shadow bidding for known sick/accident leave

-Early return from known sick/accident leave

-Calling in well mid-rotation and sick leave bank replenishment

-Pilot option to verify sick at any time

-Requirement to verify sick after 100 hours
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johnso29

Actually the AE is confirmed per the Crew Planning News email sent out today. But they're not fat on the 777. They're so short in DTW they're having to DH crews from ATL. So maybe they'll shift some positions on it. But that could still mean backwards movement in ATL.

gloopy

Flag on the field though.

We have 12,000 or so of the best of the best, most talented aviators in the world, etc. Don't tell me we can't find 50 or so of OUR pilots to fly those planes. Giving those up was one of the most reprehensible things in the TA by far.

Instead we permanently give those jets up to a non union pilot group at an internal company that won't hire DL pilots on furlough unless they resign.

Roughing the profession, 15 yards, repeat third down.

johnso29

I think he was actually referring to the last and final NWA class.

Waves

So I guess we line pilots should pay extra so that the new pilot Plebe's don't have to go through what every single other Delta Pilot in history has gone through? I’m not a ladder puller, but com’on. Wow, no B scale, no FE position lasting for several years, a much higher FO rate, many going right to the 757. Hmmmm, where was that ladder again? Boo Hoo, the new hires have to pay for their initial stay in training. It would be nice if DAL paid for it, but I’m certainly not willing to negotiate for it. Call me a ladder puller if you like, but what a crock. You guys on the bottom will someday be on the top asking your righteous selves, “What was I thinking?” What a bunch of whiners.

Elvis90

It's the Golden Rule...do unto others as you would have them...etc. When they're going through initial training they're still Delta pilots on the Delta seniority list. Just because you or I got treated like crap doesn't justify continuing the cycle. The new hire coordinator, BB, initially thought those costs were covered, then was embarrassed to point out several days later that it wasn't, and it's a cheap thing to do to cash-strapped folks who are already dipping into investments due to pay cuts from training pay and first year pay.

New hires don't get to vote on contracts, so they don't get a say in how they should get treated. It behooves us to vote to treat them like family, not someone to take advantage of. I am willing to negotiate for it.

I was at the senior level in the military chain and I did not have the attitude of "screw the guys at the bottom, I got mine". I did not ask my righteous self, "what was I thinking?"

texavia

Takes 75.49 today to equal 36 in 1986, not really the near triple you make it out to be and with today's taxes, after tax is likely a wash.

NuGuy

Bill may be disappointed.

Those dirty old DC-9s that no-body wanted to fly went pretty darn senior in ATL.

Same for the 330. There sure were a number of "if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going" types that suddenly found it within their ability to bid it despite their previous francophobia.

Between the lack of pilots taking the early out, the parking of other aircraft, and the change in work rules, I'd be surprised if we even got back to where we were post merger, in terms of staffing and airframes.

Nu

CVG767A

Those that have been through a few contracts here know that we have improved pay for new hires at a greater rate than for the rest of the pilot group. Remember $1800/ month probation pay? One year probation period? Seven year B-scale?

Regarding "screw the guys at the bottom, I got mine": No, we didn't get ours. New hires now get a much better deal than we got, and it's because of improvements DALPA has negotiated, and the pilots have ratified.

NuGuy

Heyas Elvis,

I bet these same guys squawked about paying the assessment for the COBRA payments for the furloughed guys.

Nu