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06-28-2012, 01:53 PM
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What makes you so arrogant to presume YOU are buying the ovens in the first place? Because management makes a profit and buys a pizza oven so YOU can have a job, doesn't mean YOU bought the oven. P.S. Did you have that arrogant attitude when you went for your DAL interview? Just wondering.
The kid making pizzas has more sense than to fund the purchase of a pizza oven with paycuts down at Pizza Hut, just so he can have a bigger oven or a second one to sweat over.
If being unwilling to bend over is arrogant, I'm proud to be arrogant. Didn't apply DAL, MSP and DTW based for the past 15 years.
06-28-2012, 01:58 PM
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06-28-2012, 02:07 PM
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Don't guess you've noticed any concessions of pay, work rules or anything else around here to make up for mgts mistakes or to bring a few 717s on. That's pilots buying airplanes, only pilots are stupid enough to do that.
The kid making pizzas has more sense than to fund the purchase of a pizza oven with paycuts down at Pizza Hut, so he can have a bigger oven or a second one to sweat over.
If being unwilling to bend over is arrogant, I'm proud to be arrogant. Didn't apply DAL, MSP and DTW based for the past 15 years.
The kid making pizzas has more sense than to fund the purchase of a pizza oven with paycuts down at Pizza Hut, so he can have a bigger oven or a second one to sweat over.
If being unwilling to bend over is arrogant, I'm proud to be arrogant. Didn't apply DAL, MSP and DTW based for the past 15 years.
06-28-2012, 02:12 PM
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Sorry my friend, but the only aircraft we ever purchased for DAL is 767-200 ship 102. I have flown her many times. If you would like a closer look at her she is now a static display in the Delta Museum. All of the other aircraft purchases were made by Delta Air Lines, Inc. Atlanta, GA. Probably always will be. We are Pilots not DAL aircraft purchasing agents. Obviously I’m a glass half full (not regarding beer of course) and you’re a glass half empty kind of guy. I don’t view this as a pay cut like you do. As far as your last statement, well there’s a big surprise.
06-28-2012, 02:40 PM
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P.S. If you would just lower your expectations like I have learned to do, the disappointment pill would be much easier to swallow.
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06-28-2012, 03:01 PM
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I know you are attempting to be coy with your ironic tone, but I'll humor you for a second anyway.
When the union members take a stance to hold the line on scope, we are told that the company must do what it needs to from a fleet planning standpoint to stay viable and remain profitable. Essentially DALPA endorses the use of bigger RJs under lower work rules and compensation as a route to make the company more profitable. We are told that we should look at this from an unemotional standpoint while realizing management cannot, and should not, make aircraft purchases to appease the pilot labor group. We have been drilled by DALPA to accept fleet planning/purchase are BUSINESS decisions plain and simple.
So maybe you can understand why I have a little problem when Sailing comes on here and talks down to us peons about how management is spending 2 billion to purchase B717s for us. It's a business decision, plains and simple, and the order in itself carries very little mileage for me when I look at this TA.
I could careless what aircraft they purchase going forward, as long as most of those aircraft are coming here and being flown by DAL pilots.
When the union members take a stance to hold the line on scope, we are told that the company must do what it needs to from a fleet planning standpoint to stay viable and remain profitable. Essentially DALPA endorses the use of bigger RJs under lower work rules and compensation as a route to make the company more profitable. We are told that we should look at this from an unemotional standpoint while realizing management cannot, and should not, make aircraft purchases to appease the pilot labor group. We have been drilled by DALPA to accept fleet planning/purchase are BUSINESS decisions plain and simple.
So maybe you can understand why I have a little problem when Sailing comes on here and talks down to us peons about how management is spending 2 billion to purchase B717s for us. It's a business decision, plains and simple, and the order in itself carries very little mileage for me when I look at this TA.
I could careless what aircraft they purchase going forward, as long as most of those aircraft are coming here and being flown by DAL pilots.
06-28-2012, 03:04 PM
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Delta has often made aircraft decisions based on when they needed major overhauls. With or without this TA I suspect some of those aircraft will be parked over time. Eventually they all will as will every aircraft in our fleet. They will be replaced with newer aircraft when management feels that it is cost effective to do so. Nothing different is going on here with the RJ's. The fact of the matter is that the company is going to have to put out more cash for the replacement aircraft then the overhauls cost. Should we count that extra cash as a credit to the pilot group in the contract? If you count the overhaul costs as a debit surely the replacement costs are a credit.
06-28-2012, 03:55 PM
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Just ignore this, I just wanted to see if I could post a picture. Ignore the content. It means absolutely nothing. Nothing to see here, move along.
06-28-2012, 04:04 PM
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06-28-2012, 04:06 PM
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To be honest, the only thing I saw was something along the line of we know the pay rates didn't quite measure up.
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