shiznit

Here goes...

777's are international seats, and wouldn't have the impact of replacing DCI flying.

You gotta get the airframes in domestic flying to replace the DCI...Add 88 more 717/319/CS's.

(88 seems to be a magic and beautiful number don't you think?)

102 x 70 seats = 7140 seats
125 x 50 seats = 6250 seats

13,390 seats 227 airframes currently in those groups.

DAL wants to swap again? Awesome.

88 more SNB's, 227 RJ's ratioed out to increase 76's by another 77.

77 x 76 seats = 5852 seats. (decrease of 7,538 seats).

New DCI hull limit decreased from 450 to 300, whatever they want 76 seats and below. (hell give 'em 79, it'd be 900 system seats, decrease in DCI ASM's is still huge)

DCI percentage allowable changes to the DAL "planned" 64/36 presently, after swap 75/25 domestic block hour ratio.

1) No GTF's or "next-gen" powerplants allowed at DCI on anything above 30 seats.
2) ALK decreases to 20% max... on ALL routes
3) JV protection increases to 50% of EASK's, 50% of block hours, or 50% of segments, whichever is GREATEST
4) Whatever ACL thinks is necessary for foreign ownership protections.
5) Future DCI contracts only allowed to go to ALPA represented pilot groups, and also have flow-down provision.
6) newK anoints: himself to whatever title he wants, ftb 88 Fleet Captain, Shiz 88 Chief Line Check Airman, Ferd Pres. of FA hiring, jesse is Ferd's VP
7)DCI restricted to less than 7.5% over 900 miles, 3% hub to hub.

Herman

I miss Tsquare...

gloopy

And that's just the engine maintenance? Not to mention stopping the hemorrhaging of all those money wasting jets on an operational level (gas, bumped pax, lease payments for insanely overpriced jets bought at peak bubble prices and locked into long term deals, etc). That's probably way more than just the re-engine cost.

Jack Bauer

Guys who vote yes on this TA as is are not too bright, all the DALPA cheerleading not withstanding. There is more to be gained in this contract given what management stands to gain. Some people believe everything they are told though, including company supplied numbers (those given to DALPA to disseminate).

It's too bad because we likely will have to live with the set backs in this contract for a very long time (we are giving up what leverage we have. The next round we will likely be ignored by management).

More Bacon

Yep. Should this pass, It's going to be a crappy feeling when guys realize the impact these concessions are going to have on them.

The good news is that DALPA will have the chance to make even more concessions "next time" just to get our work rules back to where we're at right now--and likely with far less tailwind leverage.

Herkflyr

Given the crapstorm at AA and the economy staying in the doldrums (read anything about Europe lately?) I think that you and most no voters will actually secretly be glad when this thing passes (I predict 62-38). This TA is not perfect by a long stretch, but I think it is the "least bad" answer to vote in favor of ratification.

Think of it this way. Ten years ago you drove a BMW (C2K, even though lots of pilots THEN were claiming "woe is me" when the C2K TA was ratified). Then it was taken away and you were given an 83 Chevette (post-BK agreements). Then you managed to get back to driving a 97 Corolla that is fairly serviceable, but getting older (our current contract). The whole time you keep muttering to yourself (I just KNOW I'm getting a brand new 2013 BMW, I just KNOW it!).

Then, someone else (our NC) negotiated on your behalf for a new car and you got...a used 2006 Passat, in fine shape. It is a good car and a good deal, but it is not a 2013 BMW. And guess what? There IS NO new BMW out there. Do you "deserve" it? Yes you do! But that doesn't change the fact that there is none to be had, and saying "no" from now until doomsday ain't gonna change that fact. So do you take the 2006 Passat and be modestly happy with it, hoping to continue to improve your and the company's bottom line so that you can get a 2015 BMW in 3 years, or do you say "NOOOOOO" and keep driving the Corolla? I prefer the Passat...the known but imperfect, real value, right now, today, versus the fantasy of holding out and getting a fictitious BMW that did indeed exist 10 years ago and may exist in the 2-3 years from now future but does not and will not exist in the immediate future.

Your views may vary!

sailingfun

Of course they have to spend almost 2 billion to buy replacement aircraft and lease the 717's.

Waves

Yeah the NO voters conveniently like to ignore this and lots of other facts. They remind me of Democrats. Why let facts get in the way. They want the 717, the WB 773 and 787 orders, but view the company's possible profits to fund such orders as blasphemy. And never mind what’s going on around them. Their thought is “We deserve more, no matter what.” BTW: Jack is now officially off my Xmas card list for that dimwit comment. No really.

Jack Bauer

I'm sure this is your attempt at being funny. Bottom line, the company will buy and/or lease aircraft to maximize its profits. Buying one set of air frames in no way guarantees buying another. That said, if the 717s can be picked up at fire sale prices then they will probably purchase. Delta pilots should in no way think we are partners in buying aircraft. We are giving up work rules and taking a meager pay raise to watch the company do most of what they were going to do anyway.

80ktsClamp

The company is saving a huge amount of long term money by getting the 717 vice operating the 50 seaters.