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Old 06-27-2012, 11:10 AM
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I probably would be “there” except for my dire outlook on the economy and world events. I just watched a video saying there is a chance that a barrel of oil may go to $220 in 2012. I'm not convinced of that per se, but what effect do you suppose that would have regarding our negotiating leverage? The next jobs report is supposed to be bleak again. Housing crisis is far from over. 15 global banks just got downgraded. Millions of Americans out of work. Unemployment still at 8.2%. Stockton, CA just declared BK. National debt approaching $16T and expected to be over $30T by the end of the decade. Iran getting the bomb. Greece failing. Spain failing. Italy failing. Euro going down if not away completely. US borrowing from China 40 cents on every US dollar it squanders. Blah, Blah, Blah. Yeah I know, it’s a broken record, but IMHO these events are not only unprecedented, they cannot be ignored. To do so is foolish and reckless. The company is finally making money after a decade of bleeding red ink. You can let your own chips ride, but I would rather take my chips and go home. For now anyway. Sorry about the added 76 seaters. Your welcome for the 88 717’s.

Fischer Tropsh is economically viable above approx $125 oil.

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Old 06-27-2012, 11:10 AM
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the economy can't seem to handle $4/gal gas. Whatever oil is, if it's at $4/gal demand drops and the economy sours, supply builds, prices drop, bubble pops. Rinse and repeat.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Waves
I probably would be “there” except for my dire outlook on the economy and world events. I just watched a video saying there is a chance that a barrel of oil may go to $220 in 2012. I'm not convinced of that per se, but what effect do you suppose that would have regarding our negotiating leverage? The next jobs report is supposed to be bleak again. Housing crisis is far from over. 15 global banks just got downgraded. Millions of Americans out of work. Unemployment still at 8.2%. Stockton, CA just declared BK. National debt approaching $16T and expected to be over $30T by the end of the decade. Iran getting the bomb. Greece failing. Spain failing. Italy failing. Euro going down if not away completely. US borrowing from China 40 cents on every US dollar it squanders. Blah, Blah, Blah. Yeah I know, it’s a broken record, but IMHO these events are not only unprecedented, they cannot be ignored. To do so is foolish and reckless. The company is finally making money after a decade of bleeding red ink. You can let your own chips ride, but I would rather take my chips and go home. For now anyway. Sorry about the added 76 seaters. Your welcome for the 88 717’s.
Those who predict doom and gloom like this are typically very wrong.

I got lectured on similar about a year ago all the way down and back to MAO. He was convinced the economy was going to collapse again and the DOW was going to be around 6000. Guess what didn't happen?

You wrote a similar paragraph. That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:31 AM
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the solution to high or low oil prices is to buy gold. buy gold. buy gold. if you haven't bought gold, you're a d*******.

Did you say something?

I didn't think so.

buy gold. or you're the d*******.




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Old 06-27-2012, 11:35 AM
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the solution to high or low oil prices is to buy gold. buy gold. buy gold. if you haven't bought gold, you're a d*******.

Did you say something?

I didn't think so.

buy gold. or you're the d*******.




Have you flown with the gold guy as well? Wants to buy a house in Pensacola with one gold coin
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:41 AM
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Have you flown with the gold guy as well? Wants to buy a house in Pensacola with one gold coin
Did he shove you when you called him a d!ckhead?
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Those who predict doom and gloom like this are typically very wrong.

I got lectured on similar about a year ago all the way down and back to MAO. He was convinced the economy was going to collapse again and the DOW was going to be around 6000. Guess what didn't happen?

You wrote a similar paragraph. That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...
This just in: "Delta Air Lines says it will likely post a loss for the second quarter. Delta lost money on fuel hedges in May and June, which pushed its fuel costs for the quarter to $3.37 per gallon." Record profits indeed! BTW: I'm not predicting doom and gloom, I'm just hedging against it. Additionally, nearly everything in that last “doom and gloom” statement has already occurred. No “foolish” predictions are necessary. If you choose to ignore them, it is your prerogative. Oh, and one more thing: Most of what is happening in the world today is unprecedented. It’s not as benign and simple as you put it, “That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...” I’m glad you can sit back and relax without a care while the World is on fire. I truly hope that works out for ya.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
This just in: "Delta Air Lines says it will likely post a loss for the second quarter. Delta lost money on fuel hedges in May and June, which pushed its fuel costs for the quarter to $3.37 per gallon." Record profits indeed! BTW: I'm not predicting doom and gloom, I'm just hedging against it. Additionally, nearly everything in that last “doom and gloom” statement has already occurred. No “foolish” predictions are necessary. If you choose to ignore them, it is your prerogative. Oh, and one more thing: Most of what is happening in the world today is unprecedented. It’s not as benign and simple as you put it, “That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...” I’m glad you can sit back and relax without a care while the World is on fire. I truly hope that works out for ya.
So the world economy is crashing, delta is posting a loss, and yet, I'm being told to vote yes for this TA because we're going to grow mainline anywhere from 70 to 110 jets!

Even with DCI 450/325, that's a huge jump in ASMs.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:06 PM
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How about this, it looks as if the company is losing money. That's probably our fault like anything else, we cost a lot of money. I mean this contract now is going to cost the company $1B or something.

How about instead of driving this company into the ground by trying to hit a grand slam 19% raise over 3 years we instead focus on hitting a single?

How about 4% YOY as we have been doing and the company must sunset every DCI contract. By 2022, DCI will be gone. We will take care of Alaska and Republic the next go around?

So how about that? 4% YOY for the next 3 years with sunset clauses? 12% vs 19%, sunset vs significant increase in jumbo RJs?

Oh, and work rules that increase staffing instead of decrease it. That way we can get some movement coupled with retirements so that your pay raises come from moving on up like Weezy. And decrease the PBS staffing formula to be based of 50 hours for reserve pilots instead of 60.

Oh, wait, let me write this as if I was writing a NNP and overuse the word "significant":
Maybe, we should reconsider the raises and just focus on hitting singles in raises and focus on movement instead of significant raises. Like significantly reducing how much is outsourced both to RJs and Alaska, and significantly increasing work rules that facilitate a significant increase in pilots and not a significant decrease in pilots.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:11 PM
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This just in: "Delta Air Lines says it will likely post a loss for the second quarter. Delta lost money on fuel hedges in May and June, which pushed its fuel costs for the quarter to $3.37 per gallon." Record profits indeed! BTW: I'm not predicting doom and gloom, I'm just hedging against it. Additionally, nearly everything in that last “doom and gloom” statement has already occurred. No “foolish” predictions are necessary. If you choose to ignore them, it is your prerogative. Oh, and one more thing: Most of what is happening in the world today is unprecedented. It’s not as benign and simple as you put it, “That is always crap going on and if you want to focus on that you can, but the fact is that the sky is not falling. What you wrote about the future boils down to foolishness really...” I’m glad you can sit back and relax without a care while the World is on fire. I truly hope that works out for ya.
The second largest U.S. airline Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) expects second quarter unit revenue (or revenue per available seat miles) to grow 8% year over year thanks to the growing business travel demand and flight expansion in the New York market. The addition of novel features to its services as well as introduction of new products is also expected to boost revenue.
Due to the drop in fuel prices, the company foresees $155 million loss from fuel hedging strategies in the second quarter. Delta Air Lines was 70% hedged for the second quarter at a jet fuel price of $3.05–$3.40 per gallon using collars and call spreads. As a result, the company expects to record operating loss in the quarter with negative 1% margin after accounting for the hedges and other special charges.
However, on a non-GAAP basis, the company still expects operating margin in the range of 8–10% and consolidated unit cost, excluding fuel, to grow 3-4% year over year. Additionally, the company expects both domestic and international flying to decline 1–2% year over year.
Now, the company estimates fuel price of $3.37 per gallon for the ongoing quarter, up from the previous forecast of $3.28 per gallon attributable to hedge losses that were settled in May and June.
For the second quarter, the Zacks Consensus Estimate for Delta remains unchanged at 80 cents over the last 7 days but fell by a penny in the last 30 days. The estimate represents a massive growth of 84.88% from the year-ago quarter.
Further, Delta Air Lines, which competes strongly with United Continental Holdings Inc. (UAL) and Southwest Airlines Co. (LUV), continues to have a healthy balance sheet. The company expects to exit the quarter with $5.3 billion in unrestricted liquidity including $3.5 billion in cash and short-term investments, and $1.8 billion in undrawn revolving credit facilities.
We are currently maintaining our long-term Neutral recommendation on Delta Air Lines. For the short term, the stock retains a Zacks #3 (Hold) Rank.




So without the writeoffs, delta profit will be 80 cents a share....double last year.
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