forgot to bid

How about in May 2015, we get a TA immediately instead of going through a protracted section 6.

And we get pay raises of 4/8.5/4/4. And 16 new B777-300s.

In exchange for reducing DCI from 450 to 387 airplanes because we finally get rid of all of the CR2s, we increase the 76-seaters by 63 airplanes yes, but no more ever. And we increase seating to 82.

It's neutral ASM growth. So as far as we we're all concerned, it's nothing different with DCI but we get pay raises, 773s, and we don't have to fight for a contract.

scambo1

So, you make a 6 seat distinction.

The 6 seat distinction is already in the current PWA. Mgmt has to park 70 seaters to add more 76 seaters, but to do it, they have to grow mainline significantly. Enter the GROWTH (as opposed to replacement 717).

They want to park 50 seaters and say to do this basically they have to buy bigger Canadairs...WE HAVE CRJ-900 payrates in OUR current contract.

There is still time to change your vote to a NO...For you waves, why interrupt a string of easy to spell votes ...no, two letters.

Likely plan B for DAL...

Buy 717s
Buy CRJ-900s flown by DAL pilots
Park 50s
Grow mainline - add DCI 76 seaters - park DCI 70 seaters.
Inflation tracking bankruptcy/merger payrates.
Section 6 opened on time with an already mutually agreed to timeframe for seeking joint mediation in april 2013. THIS time with a Strike Preparedness Committee fully spooled up.
6 shortcalls.
alv remains the same, reserves turn into pumpkins 2 hours prior.

Enn Oh, its easy to spell, N O

forgot to bid

I'm sure they asked.

I wonder what we asked for that was dropped in terms of the size of the jumbo RJ fleet?

DeadHead

Bingo! I'd expect Plan B to resemble this closely regardless of what management or DALPA is saying currently.

The 717s are coming either way,

I think the negotiating environment will look VERY different in a few months going into next year.

nwaf16dude

Don't know...but I was told we turned down "a few more percentage points" in pay rates to keep the seat limit at 76.

forgot to bid

RA to GK: "Okay, here is the deal, we're going to take those B717s off your hands. The one's that you hate so much. We'll take all 88 of them. But it's contingent if the pilots vote our first offer on the TA."

GK to RA: "*** that."

RA to GK: "No I promise I can get this passed. We have a 19% pay raise."

GK: "Upfront?"

RA: "Over 3 years. Plus, we have a no furlough clause."

GK: "They won't buy off on that."

RA: "Well, we said we reduce our 50 seat jet fleet and Delta Connection down to 450 jets."

GK: "I thought ya'll were going to do that anyways?"

RA: "We our. But we also got them to buy off on a ratio instead of increasing our hull count, it sounds like transferring of flying so they'll like that, and now we don't have to grow to get those bigger jets for DCI."

GK: "Man I wish we could get our pilots to sign off on that kind of stuff. There is no way ours would sign off on that."

RA: "Deal?"

GK: "Hell no."

^^^ This conversation is pure fiction. Making the 717 deal contingent on the pilots passing a TA would've most likely been a non-starter and never offered.

Waves

Even I have limits my friend. Mine are just not the same as yours.

forgot to bid

How about, it's the final offer and if voted down we throw constructive engagement out the window and we go into prolonged negotiation for 3-4 years with the NMB already showing slides on how they will refuse to side with the pilots on anything?

Waves

Actually not bad Scambo, but as I have stated before, Management vehemently clings to the idea that they cannot afford to use 76 seaters on the mainline. If you think you can some how change their mind, then vote NO and give it a try. Just because we have the pay rates written down doesn't mean they will change their philosophy. It appears that Management has a line in the sand as well. I will concede they have definitely pushed the envelope with the addition of more 76 seaters. BTW: I can spell NO, I have voted NO every single time except once in over twenty years.

Waves

I'm not sure what your meaning here is. In any case, what will happen if its turned down is anybody's guess. As you say, it could get better. As I say, it could get much worse. You guys keep saying the 717's are coming anyway. That is not what the company or the MEC is saying. You may be right (and I hope you are), but have you considered the fact that you could be wrong? What if you are wrong?