APCLurker

We certainly should not be paying for those decisions with concessions in this ta....

Is that more of: "we'll get them next time?" If it is, why is it we keep hearing that but yet it never seems to materialize?

It is the "next time" imho. We have not been in bankruptcy for over 5 years now and are making profits.


It is the "followed doctrine" because alpa and their associated membership groups allowed it to happen over the years. Of course people don't think they can change it, they allowed it in the first place.

I've asked before and never got a response: to any body that voted yes to outsourcing 50 seat rj's back in the day, did you also look at DC-9-10 flying as somehow "beneath" you? They only had 80-some seats. What was the "excuse" for allowing it to happen?

buzzpat

Just wait until we buy Hawaian. I'll bet we see it then.

PilotFrog

Man my sim partners will hate me. At the 3:45 point I'm going to shut down in the sim. LoL. I kid.

tomgoodman

It capsized and sank.

newKnow

Re quoted without comment....

Mesabah

It's absolutely essential that pilots see the flying they're giving away as beneath them for scope relief to work. If fact many mainline pilots see regional pilots as beneath them when such is not the case. This leads to a vicious cycle in which the union is forced to give up further aircraft rather than fight a battle that only benefits pilots that its core constituency views as not worthy.

Management over the years has subscribed to the cut costs vs raising prices philosophy in trying to become or remain profitable. The problem with this model is it assumes every employee is required to work as productively and efficiently as possible to make the operation viable with such cost cutting. Pilots thus have bent over backwards to ensure the operation is running smoothly and on time. Which as a result, management, over the years, has been able to cut the rank and file employees down to the minimum that that extra pilot productivity level supports. If pilots were to suddenly pull that support or any group for that matter, the operation would likely grind to a halt. This is the only leverage pilots have left as the years of lobbying the government, gaming the court system, corruption, and a whole other list of factors has pretty much muted the effect of unions.

newKnow

Waves,

I don't think that we as pilots are running this airline. The way I look at it, the airline is asking us if we like this proposed contract. In the mean time they can fly whatever routes they want. They can hire whoever they want. If this TA passes, they can pay and work me as they propose. But, until then, it's up to me to tell them if I like what they are proposing. I suggest that if you don't like what they are proposing that you owe it to yourself to vote no now, because if you have complaints later, it won't matter.

Expressing how you feel about this TA is not trying to run the airline, it's letting the airline know how you would like to be "run" as an employee for the next 3-5 years.

Now is the time to do it.

Waves

Once again spoken as if we're in charge. But I will agree with your premise. I would like to see a change to where and how far they fly them also.

DLpilot

We are in charge of allowing the cap to be raised. I do agree with your second part though.

acl65pilot

Not if ALK gets to them first. Rumors about over there of a HNL base and then some.