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Old 06-26-2012, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The "time of the low cost carrier" will always exist in the market. But from an airline perspective, it is impossible to remain a low cost carrier without the sort of creative destruction that Delta wages on its Connection Carriers.

Southwest is no where near a "low cost carrier." US Air is. Allegient is. GoJets is. Southwest's costs are higher than Delta's. The fact Southwest bought and is mostly dismantling AirTran should be a clear signal to you that they are out of fresh domestic markets and out of fresh ideas.

IMHO, leaving Delta for Southwest would be a mistake.

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  • Delta needs to make money if this career is going to work
  • We need to stop outsourcing & turn that around
  • Mergers ... who knows what might happen in another merger?
FedEx or UPS, Emirates, there are places to make more money than Delta. Not sure that SWA will remain one of them.

I agree with your post 100%
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Can you explain to me why RJs fly city pairs like ATL-DTW, DFW ATL, DFW _ DTW????
Apparently someone with a bigger brain and more phd's has it all figured out
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Can you explain to me why mainline flies city pairs like ATL-CAE and DTW-TVC? There's a time and a place for everything. Why would you use a 500lb bomb when a hand gun would work? Oh right. Ego
Just checked DTW-TVC. 7 flights today. All 50 seaters.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Can you explain to me why mainline flies city pairs like ATL-CAE and DTW-TVC? There's a time and a place for everything. Why would you use a 500lb bomb when a hand gun would work? Oh right. Ego
Not EGO at all, we have been sold regionals on the premise that it builds markets that someday will move to mainline. I don' see DFW-DTW as a market that needs to be built as other carriers serve the route with a mainline jet. So lets dig the company out of another big mistake,the 50 seater they want to dump now. How many millions have they lost on that great decision???
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Ball Breaker
Just checked DTW-TVC. 7 flights today. All 50 seaters.
Thanks for the support Ballbreaker!!!!!!
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Not EGO at all, we have been sold regionals on the premise that it builds markets that someday will move to mainline. I don' see DFW-DTW as a market that needs to be built as other carriers serve the route with a mainline jet. So lets dig the company out of another big mistake,the 50 seater they want to dump now. How many millions have they lost on that great decision???
We are not only bailing them out, we are insuring their mad scientist outsourcing scam becomes even more viable long term. If this was merely a bailout, we'd just be allowing 70 more 90 seaters for now while requiring the sunsetting of the next 70 existing 90 seaters to come off contract. But we're not. This is about far more than helping management out of multibillion dollar bad management mistakes. This is about giving them a permanent "NewCo" with 325 planes (for now, who knows how high we will go later).
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Thanks for the support Ballbreaker!!!!!!
Guess it was a temporary assignment for the DC-9. My bad.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187
Carl,

Very seriously contemplating a jump, but where do you see Southwest in 10 years? Do you think the time of the low cost carrier is over?
I don't know your story or what you are looking for, but my advice to you would be to stay put.

SWA is a great airline and well run, but you work for one too. If I didn't work for FDX, DAL would be my next choice. Your managment is good management in today's airline world. 10 years is forever in the airline industry, 5 years is a stretch. 10 years ago FDX, UPS and SWA were just becoming the place to be while, AA, UAL, DAL, NWA had just become the places not be. (DAL has done an incredible job returning itself as a respectable airline. I know it is far from perfect, but all airlines are far from perfect.) Take a look at airline history, it has always been that way.
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:21 AM
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what happened to our proposed GUM base?
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
what happened to our proposed GUM base?
All the 50's we are "parking" are headed to GUM to start a LCC
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