Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-25-2012, 09:13 PM
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First, yes I'm very seriously considering the early out. I'm 56 though and I think I need to be a bit closer to 60 before I pull the handle.
Second, the reason is because I've been very fortunate in life. My airline career started out badly with 5 furloughs in 5 years. But it looks at this point that it will end OK. Because of all my furloughs, I've always had outside business interests. Those interests have become very lucrative. That would never have been possible for me without some good airline years giving me the seed money that I needed. I want the younger people junior to me to have those same opportunities and NOT be living paycheck to paycheck. That will never happen if we keep eating our young by selling scope. It's why I tell young people that their first choice should be SWA. Rock solid scope is everything.
Third, no I don't think we should ignore our surroundings. By you bringing up APA and our TA in the same sentence, it just struck me that you were making a direct comparison. But I see by this post that you didn't mean to do that...just rather keep it in the overall picture.
PS: I hope you get to fly the 744. She's the best hand flying airplane I've ever flown.
Carl
Second, the reason is because I've been very fortunate in life. My airline career started out badly with 5 furloughs in 5 years. But it looks at this point that it will end OK. Because of all my furloughs, I've always had outside business interests. Those interests have become very lucrative. That would never have been possible for me without some good airline years giving me the seed money that I needed. I want the younger people junior to me to have those same opportunities and NOT be living paycheck to paycheck. That will never happen if we keep eating our young by selling scope. It's why I tell young people that their first choice should be SWA. Rock solid scope is everything.
Third, no I don't think we should ignore our surroundings. By you bringing up APA and our TA in the same sentence, it just struck me that you were making a direct comparison. But I see by this post that you didn't mean to do that...just rather keep it in the overall picture.
PS: I hope you get to fly the 744. She's the best hand flying airplane I've ever flown.
Carl
06-26-2012, 05:21 AM
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First, yes I'm very seriously considering the early out. I'm 56 though and I think I need to be a bit closer to 60 before I pull the handle.
Second, the reason is because I've been very fortunate in life. My airline career started out badly with 5 furloughs in 5 years. But it looks at this point that it will end OK. Because of all my furloughs, I've always had outside business interests. Those interests have become very lucrative. That would never have been possible for me without some good airline years giving me the seed money that I needed. I want the younger people junior to me to have those same opportunities and NOT be living paycheck to paycheck. That will never happen if we keep eating our young by selling scope. It's why I tell young people that their first choice should be SWA. Rock solid scope is everything.
Third, no I don't think we should ignore our surroundings. By you bringing up APA and our TA in the same sentence, it just struck me that you were making a direct comparison. But I see by this post that you didn't mean to do that...just rather keep it in the overall picture.
PS: I hope you get to fly the 744. She's the best hand flying airplane I've ever flown.
Carl
Second, the reason is because I've been very fortunate in life. My airline career started out badly with 5 furloughs in 5 years. But it looks at this point that it will end OK. Because of all my furloughs, I've always had outside business interests. Those interests have become very lucrative. That would never have been possible for me without some good airline years giving me the seed money that I needed. I want the younger people junior to me to have those same opportunities and NOT be living paycheck to paycheck. That will never happen if we keep eating our young by selling scope. It's why I tell young people that their first choice should be SWA. Rock solid scope is everything.
Third, no I don't think we should ignore our surroundings. By you bringing up APA and our TA in the same sentence, it just struck me that you were making a direct comparison. But I see by this post that you didn't mean to do that...just rather keep it in the overall picture.
PS: I hope you get to fly the 744. She's the best hand flying airplane I've ever flown.
Carl
Very seriously contemplating a jump, but where do you see Southwest in 10 years? Do you think the time of the low cost carrier is over?
06-26-2012, 07:04 AM
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What we are doing with scope can't be undone in future negotiations. Once we do this, it's done. Scope is both good and bad. It's good that we are getting rid of a bunch of 50 seaters even though it was management who over committed to an aircraft that A) passengers hated and B) doesn't make money. It seems it's up to us to dig them out of their poor management decisions with concessions in Section 1. I think the bad part of the good/bad comparison of scope is exponentially worse than the good. We are allowing more 76 seaters than twice the size of Compass. These 76 seaters are on air frames certified to 90 seats. I think the "steady improvement" scenario favors the Company on this issue. My guess is that there will be future erosion of the 76 seaters as we have the certified air frames for higher seats. This is not just the camels nose under the tent. It's pretty much the whole camel, humps and all. Have we abandoned the well being of the profession?
I very much appreciate the input of pilots I trust and respect. On the scope issue, I respectfully disagree.
I very much appreciate the input of pilots I trust and respect. On the scope issue, I respectfully disagree.
06-26-2012, 07:10 AM
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Whoops?
Delta sees Q2 unit revenue rise, fuel hedge loss
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2E8HQ34620120626
Delta sees Q2 unit revenue rise, fuel hedge loss
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2E8HQ34620120626
06-26-2012, 07:13 AM
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Southwest is no where near a "low cost carrier." US Air is. Allegient is. GoJets is. Southwest's costs are higher than Delta's. The fact Southwest bought and is mostly dismantling AirTran should be a clear signal to you that they are out of fresh domestic markets and out of fresh ideas.
IMHO, leaving Delta for Southwest would be a mistake.
Caveats:
- Delta needs to make money if this career is going to work
- We need to stop outsourcing & turn that around
- Mergers ... who knows what might happen in another merger?
06-26-2012, 07:29 AM
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Whoops?
Delta sees Q2 unit revenue rise, fuel hedge loss
Delta sees Q2 unit revenue rise, fuel hedge loss | Reuters
Delta sees Q2 unit revenue rise, fuel hedge loss
Delta sees Q2 unit revenue rise, fuel hedge loss | Reuters
TEXT-Fitch raises Delta Air Lines' IDR to 'B+' | Reuters
Fuel hedge loss aside, seems like we are moving in the right direction.
The $20-$30 slide probably caught many by surprise.
I doubt we were the only ones who took it on the chin.
06-26-2012, 07:36 AM
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So how as a pilot group do we accomplish this? If this TA doesn't pass Management can still grow the dci carriers if they grow mainline. I don't see us coming to the table and saying stop flying DCI or we strike. The company doesn't make money flying small planes to small markets, however it makes money by outsourcing this small market flying to someone else. What kind of leverage would we need to be able to pull off the "we want all flying down by mainline?" I just don't ever see us recapturing this small market flying. Am I just naive? (Everyone can ignore this comment if this was already discussed somewhere on here)
06-26-2012, 07:38 AM
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So how as a pilot group do we accomplish this? If this TA doesn't pass Management can still grow the dci carriers if they grow mainline. I don't see us coming to the table and saying stop flying DCI or we strike. The company doesn't make money flying small planes to small markets, however it makes money by outsourcing this small market flying to someone else. What kind of leverage would we need to be able to pull off the "we want all flying down by mainline?" I just don't ever see us recapturing this small market flying. Am I just naive?
06-26-2012, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
TEXT-Fitch raises Delta Air Lines' IDR to 'B+' | Reuters
Fuel hedge loss aside, seems like we are moving in the right direction.
The $20-$30 slide probably caught many by surprise.
I doubt we were the only ones who took it on the chin.
It'll be interesting to see where everyone else was hedged.
06-26-2012, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Can you explain to me why RJs fly city pairs like ATL-DTW, DFW ATL, DFW _ DTW????
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