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Old 06-25-2012, 02:31 PM
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Call, Crew Planning. Not sure if they will tell you, but they have a really good idea of what they can do depending on where the requests come from for the pirp. They have fairly firm numbers for the 744A and expected as well as best case if it was from every seat in the system.
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
For Satchip,

Bama fans doing it big!!

That is the best Alabama house boat I have ever seen. Is that the six or twelve volt model? Party on Garth.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
And how does a bankrupt company apply to the world's most profitable airline? Should we worry about Kalitta's contract...maybe Evergreen? God forbid we should talk about Southwest, or UPS, or FedEx, or...

Carl
Touché, can’t disagree with you there. I was just highlighting our surrounding environment. Agreed, we have already done the bloodletting. It is now their turn. Unfortunately I still think going back to the table will be risky and fruitless in the current state of domestic and world affairs. Don’t misread me though. I do understand and empathize with the fight. I just seriously think this is a bad time to do so. To reiterate, except for one time which I later regretted, I have voted NO every single time on every single issue. Not this time.

P.S. This is an intrusive question/s so you certainly don’t even need to respond, but as a 744 Captain, you are the most senior of the senior’s. I’m assuming your post description is true. I would give my left nad to be a 744/777 Captain. That will never happen even though I was pretty much a run of the mill new hire. I’m not whining, and we all know that timing is everything. My first question: Are you even considering this retirement package? I have serious doubt that anyone will be interested. Depending on your age, I would think you would be one of the targeted pilots. My second question: I’m wondering why at your seniority level you aren’t a “Pull up the ladder” kind of guy. You seem to be an advocate more for the bottom rather than the top. I respect that, but I’m just curious. To me, you don’t seem like the normal super senior guy. Can you explain your position?


P.S. 2 Carl are you suggesting that we simply ignore our surroundings because we are finally profitable?

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Old 06-25-2012, 03:41 PM
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So, remember, you could be #1 if this TA passes.


I can't be number one. Carl is senior and he's not leaving.
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
why at your seniority level you aren’t a “Pull up the ladder” kind of guy. You seem to be an advocate more for the bottom rather than the top.
Maybe he's sick and tired of having to tell young people asking about making this a career that they'd have to be crazy to do it unless they want to work cheap and more than likely for less and less as the years go by.
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

...the Company commits to approving participation at the maximum number possible based upon maintaining operational reliability... The Company will meet with ALPA to review its operational reliability staffing limitations as they pertain to its approval for participation in the Program...
OK. that's what I thought--the company can turn off the early outs any time it wants, and without DALPA's approval. Thanks for confirming.
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by texavia
Maybe he's sick and tired of having to tell young people asking about making this a career that they'd have to be crazy to do it unless they want to work cheap and more than likely for less and less as the years go by.
How does this TA allow us to work for LESS? It actually builds upon where we want to go, which is higher, in a shorter amount of time compared to regular section six negotiations and contracts. Shorter duration contracts at about 20% pay raises is the way to go. It appears the NMB won't allow 50% pay raises all at once (look at APA and their being sequestered for over a year by the NMB). I think you might have it totally wrong....
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
OK. that's what I thought--the company can turn off the early outs any time it wants, and without DALPA's approval. Thanks for confirming.
No, all 744A's can request an early out (except Carl) and it will be approved! July 1st also. They can all leave on the 2nd, and then we can all look at the 15 744s on the ramp, with the remaining one flying continuously with CARL at the helm. I can't wait! Move over Bacon....
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Waves
Like the DC-9's, these guys are going out relatively soon anyway.
then why did we expend any negotiating capital to get this program, which can be discontinued at the company's sole discretion anyway?

also--the 50 seaters were going out "relatively soon anyway," too. but that didn't stop DALPA from giving something up in return for...nothing.
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
then why did we expend any negotiating capital to get this program, which can be discontinued at the company's sole discretion anyway?

also--the 50 seaters were going out "relatively soon anyway," too. but that didn't stop DALPA from giving something up in return for an inevitable event.
There are still leases on the 50s that can't be broken. Why would they from the manufacturer side or the regional side? If the contracts were broken, where would those planes go? The manufacturer either wants a better deal (a trade up for something new), or they will leave it the way it is, and if there isn't an ability to add more 76 seaters, they will probably fix those older ones to continue the feed abiltiy. So, all you have left is the continuation of a 50 seater, for many more years. Thanks for that!
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