Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-24-2012, 05:20 AM
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I jumpseated with an American Airlines crew yesterday, both St. Louis-based and former TWA. The FO was a 1990 hire, was furloughed for 5 years, and is currently an MD-80 FO. I told him that at Delta he could hold a 767 Capt position with that DOH. They both said that Delta is the place to be right now. Also chatted with an AirTran Capt this morning who said that with the transfer of the 717's, he'll lose his Capt position and will retire as an FO based upon their seniority integration with SWA. When I look at the situation at other companies it puts our disagreements about the TA in perspective. Either way, we're still better off than many of our contemporaries.
06-24-2012, 05:25 AM
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ACL & Columbia, don't get me wrong, I voted No. I guess my point is that other pilots at other companies have very unique struggles.
On a different weird note, I was eating breakfast at my cheap hotel in a bad part of town while on reserve and I hear what sounds like a gunshot. After 24 years in the Air Force shooting thousands of rounds of ammo, I know what a gunshot sounds like. I turn around and see a woman covered in an exploded hard-boiled egg. The eggs are served cold, she microwaved it, sat down and BOOM! Now that is a science experiment!
Back to contract stuff, I talked with an AirTran FO yesterday who said that their pay rates will be SWA rates sometime in 2014.
On a different weird note, I was eating breakfast at my cheap hotel in a bad part of town while on reserve and I hear what sounds like a gunshot. After 24 years in the Air Force shooting thousands of rounds of ammo, I know what a gunshot sounds like. I turn around and see a woman covered in an exploded hard-boiled egg. The eggs are served cold, she microwaved it, sat down and BOOM! Now that is a science experiment!
Back to contract stuff, I talked with an AirTran FO yesterday who said that their pay rates will be SWA rates sometime in 2014.
06-24-2012, 06:45 AM
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As for the rest of your assessment, all the reasons you suggest we take the TA WRT to the money right now makes sense, especially when coupled with the time value of money actuarials. But are the guaranteed negatives in the TA worth those undwewhelming yet meaningful but potentially short lived and temporary positives that we traded things away to get? That's the question.
You seem to be making an assumption that whatever gains we make in the TA will be “potentially short lived and temporary.” This of course is ALWAYS possible no matter what any contract provides, but it is completely irrelevant to our negotiations. Going back to the table to get more now doesn’t mean we wouldn’t have to get that up as well if concessions were required in the future. We can only hope that with each contract we get, we will see some sort of improvements that don’t go away, but there is certainly no guarantee of that as we all know. In the future, if things get really, really bad out there, we may be volunteering to give up positive things we scored from even previous contracts. Look at what we gave up prior to bankruptcy. Let’s just hope we never go there again. P.S. Too bad we can’t have the yes voters live under this TA and the no voters can go on fighting and take whatever gains they can get down the road.
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06-24-2012, 06:57 AM
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06-24-2012, 07:01 AM
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06-24-2012, 07:06 AM
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That AT CA/SWA FO will still have a higher W-2, have more days off (including weekends and holidays) and pay less for health insurance than a similar DOH at delta. 2 buds who are 2001 hires at SWA (senior FOs) had 2011 W-2s of $165K and $175K, all holidays and 90% weekends off and averaged 16 days off/month. Wonder how that would compare to a 2001 hire at DAL in the 737, even post TA?
06-24-2012, 07:07 AM
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06-24-2012, 07:32 AM
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06-24-2012, 08:09 AM
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ATH flight is axed aswell ... Qatar will be swooping in and doing DOH-ATH-JFK now. What was DL thinking in stopping a route that is a Monopoly??
06-24-2012, 08:12 AM
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There's also no money in flying. There is, however, plenty of money in perpetually reducing flying.
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