Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-22-2012, 08:29 PM
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IF the TA goes through, there will be fewer of them allowed than if there is a no vote. A NO vote will ensure 255 of them. Yes, there would be fewer 70 seaters too, but the uneconomical 50s would stick around longer. Maybe you like those 50 seaters?
06-22-2012, 08:37 PM
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Do you not think they would replace a high cost mainline flight with a couple of bottom of the barrel large RJs?
06-22-2012, 08:40 PM
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I would rather deal with uneconomical 50 seaters than premium large RJs that are being operated at bankruptcy rates any day of the week!
06-22-2012, 08:44 PM
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You still don't understand. 200 plus 50 seaters are GONE. Then add 70 larger ones. The middle ones, (102 70 seaters) would FILL IN for some of the 200 smaller ones leaving. Then there would still be room for 76 seaters to take some of the 50 seater routes. Then throw in 88 717s. Those would fill in for better performing 76 seat routes. It's a simple concept you are missing.
BTW, here could be a hint from RA himself on Plan B:
Richard Anderson: " if our pilots turn down the agreement. It is premature to get into the specifics of that plan, but our time and the significant value dedicated to this agreement and re-fleeting will have to be rededicated to the alternative plan. Our relationship with ALPA will continue but the near-term opportunities I mentioned above will be lost and we will no longer be under the same time constraints that were necessary to close this deal."
Go ahead, roll the dice.
06-23-2012, 02:21 AM
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From RA's own keyboard:
Q7. What is the latest with Delta’s fleet strategy? How do we plan to address our future fleet needs?
A. We continue to pursue an opportunistic fleet strategy that features acquisition and deployment of the most efficient aircraft available to meet the needs of our customers. We have employed this strategy to acquire both new and used aircraft to replace mainline (DC9s, older 757s) and regional (50-seat jets, Saab turboprops) aircraft. On the new side, we finalized a deal last summer with Boeing to purchase 100 new 737-900ER jets, which will begin delivery next year. On the used side, we have been buying MD-90s and will have 65 of these flexible, cost-efficient planes in service by the end of next year. You have probably also heard that the recent announcement of Delta’s tentative agreement with our pilots could provide the opportunity to accelerate the fleet strategy with the addition of 88 Boeing 717 aircraft to the mainline fleet, subject to pilot ratification of the agreement.
I'm sure the "cost neutral" (which was never said by management and only said by the C20 rep, btw) guys will now claim what used to be their burning bush is inaccurate...
Q7. What is the latest with Delta’s fleet strategy? How do we plan to address our future fleet needs?
A. We continue to pursue an opportunistic fleet strategy that features acquisition and deployment of the most efficient aircraft available to meet the needs of our customers. We have employed this strategy to acquire both new and used aircraft to replace mainline (DC9s, older 757s) and regional (50-seat jets, Saab turboprops) aircraft. On the new side, we finalized a deal last summer with Boeing to purchase 100 new 737-900ER jets, which will begin delivery next year. On the used side, we have been buying MD-90s and will have 65 of these flexible, cost-efficient planes in service by the end of next year. You have probably also heard that the recent announcement of Delta’s tentative agreement with our pilots could provide the opportunity to accelerate the fleet strategy with the addition of 88 Boeing 717 aircraft to the mainline fleet, subject to pilot ratification of the agreement.
I'm sure the "cost neutral" (which was never said by management and only said by the C20 rep, btw) guys will now claim what used to be their burning bush is inaccurate...
Regardless of how this TA goes, it will be imperative to purge you, alfaromeo, O'Malley and every single person from the MEC administration. You have all failed so badly that I'm embarrassed to be associated with you. You've shamed this pilot group by your behavior and abuse of power.
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06-23-2012, 04:46 AM
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From RA's own keyboard:
Q7. What is the latest with Delta’s fleet strategy? How do we plan to address our future fleet needs?
A. We continue to pursue an opportunistic fleet strategy that features acquisition and deployment of the most efficient aircraft available to meet the needs of our customers. We have employed this strategy to acquire both new and used aircraft to replace mainline (DC9s, older 757s) and regional (50-seat jets, Saab turboprops) aircraft. On the new side, we finalized a deal last summer with Boeing to purchase 100 new 737-900ER jets, which will begin delivery next year. On the used side, we have been buying MD-90s and will have 65 of these flexible, cost-efficient planes in service by the end of next year. You have probably also heard that the recent announcement of Delta’s tentative agreement with our pilots could provide the opportunity to accelerate the fleet strategy with the addition of 88 Boeing 717 aircraft to the mainline fleet, subject to pilot ratification of the agreement.
Q7. What is the latest with Delta’s fleet strategy? How do we plan to address our future fleet needs?
A. We continue to pursue an opportunistic fleet strategy that features acquisition and deployment of the most efficient aircraft available to meet the needs of our customers. We have employed this strategy to acquire both new and used aircraft to replace mainline (DC9s, older 757s) and regional (50-seat jets, Saab turboprops) aircraft. On the new side, we finalized a deal last summer with Boeing to purchase 100 new 737-900ER jets, which will begin delivery next year. On the used side, we have been buying MD-90s and will have 65 of these flexible, cost-efficient planes in service by the end of next year. You have probably also heard that the recent announcement of Delta’s tentative agreement with our pilots could provide the opportunity to accelerate the fleet strategy with the addition of 88 Boeing 717 aircraft to the mainline fleet, subject to pilot ratification of the agreement.
06-23-2012, 05:33 AM
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Bill, it seems it's you that don't understand the other sides point! Have you even tried to see that side and have a constructive argument or debate?
I'm not saying either side is right, but you seem so hard up to prove your point and get Yes votes that you are failing to at least acknowledge the possibility of the con argument.
I'm not saying either side is right, but you seem so hard up to prove your point and get Yes votes that you are failing to at least acknowledge the possibility of the con argument.
06-23-2012, 05:52 AM
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If you vote yes to this TA you extend the life of DCI. With more large rj's you decrease the delta pilots leverage for future negotiations. Our current language, and current uneconomical 50 seater's are much more powerful than the language proposed.
My personal opinion is that if you think the 717s are tied to this deal you aren't smart enough to cast a vote for this TA.
Guys are posting photos of 717 markings already painted in msp.
Do you think southwest airlines is going to hinge their entire fleet plan on how a bunch of delta pilots vote?
I've personally flown with numerous captains who have had FAA jumpseaters that state flat out that the 717's are a done deal.
How many more clues do you guys need?
My personal opinion is that if you think the 717s are tied to this deal you aren't smart enough to cast a vote for this TA.
Guys are posting photos of 717 markings already painted in msp.
Do you think southwest airlines is going to hinge their entire fleet plan on how a bunch of delta pilots vote?
I've personally flown with numerous captains who have had FAA jumpseaters that state flat out that the 717's are a done deal.
How many more clues do you guys need?
06-23-2012, 06:04 AM
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The painted lines for the 717 have been their for years! I wouldn't put too much thought into that....I noticed it first time I flew into MSP over 5 years ago.
06-23-2012, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by fly2002
If you vote yes to this TA you extend the life of DCI. With more large rj's you decrease the delta pilots leverage for future negotiations. Our current language, and current uneconomical 50 seater's are much more powerful than the language proposed.
My personal opinion is that if you think the 717s are tied to this deal you aren't smart enough to cast a vote for this TA.
Guys are posting photos of 717 markings already painted in msp.
Do you think southwest airlines is going to hinge their entire fleet plan on how a bunch of delta pilots vote?
I've personally flown with numerous captains who have had FAA jumpseaters that state flat out that the 717's are a done deal.
How many more clues do you guys need?
My personal opinion is that if you think the 717s are tied to this deal you aren't smart enough to cast a vote for this TA.
Guys are posting photos of 717 markings already painted in msp.
Do you think southwest airlines is going to hinge their entire fleet plan on how a bunch of delta pilots vote?
I've personally flown with numerous captains who have had FAA jumpseaters that state flat out that the 717's are a done deal.
How many more clues do you guys need?
And if the 88 717s are a done deal, would you rather get nothing? Why not take your money?
Fact. If we create a new fleet of SNB aircraft, DCI will shrink by 20% plus (under the TA, and without).
How does that work?
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