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07-16-2009, 08:28 AM
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1221 – Motion #12 (AI 09-S06) Maker: Kessler Second: Furbish
WHEREAS Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines have completed a corporate
merger, and
WHEREAS the pilots of Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines have negotiated
and ratified a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA), and
WHEREAS the Integrated System Seniority List (ISSL) of the two pilot groups is
complete and implemented, and
WHEREAS the National Mediation Board (NMB), acting on ALPA’s request, has
ruled that a single transportation system exists with respect to the pilots of the
merged carrier, and
WHEREAS the President of the Association has properly called for a meeting of
the Local Executive Council (LEC) officers constituting the councils of the
merged Delta Air Lines for the purpose of electing new Master Executive Council
(MEC) Officers, and
WHEREAS the Executive Council has unanimously confirmed that the
President’s actions, with respect to calling an election meeting, are in compliance
with the ALPA Constitution and Bylaws, and the ALPA Administrative Manual,
and
WHEREAS the Northwest MEC has recently passed resolution #09-02 stating
that three issues must be resolved in advance of the election meeting, and
before the merger of the MECs can go forward, and
WHEREAS the Delta MEC recognizes the importance of engaging in discussion
on all substantive issues with respect to both pre-merger MECs,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Delta MEC extends an invitation to the
Northwest MEC to join the Delta MEC in Orlando on January 16, 2009, before
the election meeting on January 17, 2009, to informally discuss matters involving
the integrated pilot group, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC commits to continue working with
our pre-merger Northwest Airlines colleagues thereby allowing this merger to be
the model for all future airline mergers, and
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BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the concerns of the Northwest MEC as stated in
resolution #09-02 that “must be resolved before the MEC merger can take
place…” have been addressed in that:
1. The grievance resolution process for pre-merger Northwest pilots and premerger
Delta pilots is the responsibility of the MEC of those pilots; therefore
the merged MEC will be responsible for the resolution of all grievances. The
pre-merger Delta MEC believes that close consultation with the pre-merger
Northwest MEC Contract Administration committee is essential when dealing
with the pre-merger Northwest grievances.
2. The ISSL award explicitly and clearly establishes a method for the premerger
parties to develop a dispute resolution process for handling any
issues relative to the ISSL and is binding on both pre-merger pilot groups.
3. The pre-merger Delta and Northwest MEC Negotiating committee
signatories to the JCBA are forever the negotiators of that agreement and
their status as the negotiators of the JCBA does not change with the election
of new MEC officers and the formation of a merged MEC. The pre-merger
Delta MEC believes that consultation with both pre-merger MEC Negotiating
committees is essential when dealing with issues related to the negotiation of
the JCBA.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC remains steadfastly committed to
continuing the guiding principle of fair and equal representation for all pilots of the
newly merged Delta Air Lines in all matters pertaining to Association business.
Passed: Unanimous.
07-16-2009, 08:30 AM
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Bar,
The committees of the MEC (generally there are three) are all of equal size and demographically equivalent. Committee assignments are generally done well in advance of the MEC meeting and are published with the advance agenda. Many of the council resolutions were received in the week prior to the March MEC meeting. The explanation given to you was factually incorrect, and was not how the committee operated.
The committees of the MEC (generally there are three) are all of equal size and demographically equivalent. Committee assignments are generally done well in advance of the MEC meeting and are published with the advance agenda. Many of the council resolutions were received in the week prior to the March MEC meeting. The explanation given to you was factually incorrect, and was not how the committee operated.
Committee assignments are done in advance of MEC meetings, but that does not mean that one subcommittee has not been "stacked" with like-minded cronies. It's a tried and true technique that can be used by the MEC Chairman. Not saying it happened, just that it is entirely plausible.
LEC Resolutions that are received in the week prior to the MEC meeting still have to be assigned to specific subcommittees. Want to guess who assigns them?
You can say it didn't happen at the last meeting, but it IS a possibility at every meeting. The lack of transparency makes this much easier to do as you could omit the list of subcommittee members from the minutes.
07-16-2009, 08:34 AM
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Bar,
The committees of the MEC (generally there are three) are all of equal size and demographically equivalent. Committee assignments are generally done well in advance of the MEC meeting and are published with the advance agenda. Many of the council resolutions were received in the week prior to the March MEC meeting. The explanation given to you was factually incorrect, and was not how the committee operated.
The committees of the MEC (generally there are three) are all of equal size and demographically equivalent. Committee assignments are generally done well in advance of the MEC meeting and are published with the advance agenda. Many of the council resolutions were received in the week prior to the March MEC meeting. The explanation given to you was factually incorrect, and was not how the committee operated.
Immediately after the vote those in support were basically told by their Reps that "nothing will come of this." What you wrote does not conflict with the account I was given. It certainly was no surprise to anyone that the Compass resolution was assigned to a committee made up of people known to be against.
My reps told me they voted the way they did because a larger number of pilots than had written, or shown up at their LEC meeting, had called and commented against the resolution. A uniform affirmative vote on the committee's recommendation is seen as both a sign of unity and not showing our hand to management. In balance, to all readers, that was the official version.
As we have no way of objectively tallying comments and phone calls, as opposed to letters, votes and resolutions (which can be counted) it is my opinion the inner circle over rode the majority and continues to do so. If altruistically the reps believe "we know best" and are acting on that knowledge they should be able to explain and rationalize their position with objective facts. I certainly can be "shut up" by simply showing me the economic analysis that indicates unity is bad. It was explained to me how outsourcing is good, but that data was very out of date and did not address the situation we find ourselves in now.
You actively have a group of pilots now trying to educate their MEC members, seems a little backwards. When you see resolutions like the recent scope report card go forward in LEC 44 of all places, it should indicate that the membership thinks they have legitimate concerns that the MEC is not doing its homework.
So, just how accurate is this? This what many of us from the bleachers are thinking...
Video from the South facing office
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07-16-2009, 08:35 AM
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This took me about 2 minutes to find on the ALPA web site. Just an example, no further meaning on the content.
1221 – Motion #12 (AI 09-S06) Maker: Kessler Second: Furbish
WHEREAS Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines have completed a corporate
merger, and
WHEREAS the pilots of Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines have negotiated
and ratified a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA), and
WHEREAS the Integrated System Seniority List (ISSL) of the two pilot groups is
complete and implemented, and
WHEREAS the National Mediation Board (NMB), acting on ALPA’s request, has
ruled that a single transportation system exists with respect to the pilots of the
merged carrier, and
WHEREAS the President of the Association has properly called for a meeting of
the Local Executive Council (LEC) officers constituting the councils of the
merged Delta Air Lines for the purpose of electing new Master Executive Council
(MEC) Officers, and
WHEREAS the Executive Council has unanimously confirmed that the
President’s actions, with respect to calling an election meeting, are in compliance
with the ALPA Constitution and Bylaws, and the ALPA Administrative Manual,
and
WHEREAS the Northwest MEC has recently passed resolution #09-02 stating
that three issues must be resolved in advance of the election meeting, and
before the merger of the MECs can go forward, and
WHEREAS the Delta MEC recognizes the importance of engaging in discussion
on all substantive issues with respect to both pre-merger MECs,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Delta MEC extends an invitation to the
Northwest MEC to join the Delta MEC in Orlando on January 16, 2009, before
the election meeting on January 17, 2009, to informally discuss matters involving
the integrated pilot group, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC commits to continue working with
our pre-merger Northwest Airlines colleagues thereby allowing this merger to be
the model for all future airline mergers, and
6
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the concerns of the Northwest MEC as stated in
resolution #09-02 that “must be resolved before the MEC merger can take
place…” have been addressed in that:
1. The grievance resolution process for pre-merger Northwest pilots and premerger
Delta pilots is the responsibility of the MEC of those pilots; therefore
the merged MEC will be responsible for the resolution of all grievances. The
pre-merger Delta MEC believes that close consultation with the pre-merger
Northwest MEC Contract Administration committee is essential when dealing
with the pre-merger Northwest grievances.
2. The ISSL award explicitly and clearly establishes a method for the premerger
parties to develop a dispute resolution process for handling any
issues relative to the ISSL and is binding on both pre-merger pilot groups.
3. The pre-merger Delta and Northwest MEC Negotiating committee
signatories to the JCBA are forever the negotiators of that agreement and
their status as the negotiators of the JCBA does not change with the election
of new MEC officers and the formation of a merged MEC. The pre-merger
Delta MEC believes that consultation with both pre-merger MEC Negotiating
committees is essential when dealing with issues related to the negotiation of
the JCBA.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC remains steadfastly committed to
continuing the guiding principle of fair and equal representation for all pilots of the
newly merged Delta Air Lines in all matters pertaining to Association business.
Passed: Unanimous.
1221 – Motion #12 (AI 09-S06) Maker: Kessler Second: Furbish
WHEREAS Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines have completed a corporate
merger, and
WHEREAS the pilots of Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines have negotiated
and ratified a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA), and
WHEREAS the Integrated System Seniority List (ISSL) of the two pilot groups is
complete and implemented, and
WHEREAS the National Mediation Board (NMB), acting on ALPA’s request, has
ruled that a single transportation system exists with respect to the pilots of the
merged carrier, and
WHEREAS the President of the Association has properly called for a meeting of
the Local Executive Council (LEC) officers constituting the councils of the
merged Delta Air Lines for the purpose of electing new Master Executive Council
(MEC) Officers, and
WHEREAS the Executive Council has unanimously confirmed that the
President’s actions, with respect to calling an election meeting, are in compliance
with the ALPA Constitution and Bylaws, and the ALPA Administrative Manual,
and
WHEREAS the Northwest MEC has recently passed resolution #09-02 stating
that three issues must be resolved in advance of the election meeting, and
before the merger of the MECs can go forward, and
WHEREAS the Delta MEC recognizes the importance of engaging in discussion
on all substantive issues with respect to both pre-merger MECs,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Delta MEC extends an invitation to the
Northwest MEC to join the Delta MEC in Orlando on January 16, 2009, before
the election meeting on January 17, 2009, to informally discuss matters involving
the integrated pilot group, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC commits to continue working with
our pre-merger Northwest Airlines colleagues thereby allowing this merger to be
the model for all future airline mergers, and
6
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the concerns of the Northwest MEC as stated in
resolution #09-02 that “must be resolved before the MEC merger can take
place…” have been addressed in that:
1. The grievance resolution process for pre-merger Northwest pilots and premerger
Delta pilots is the responsibility of the MEC of those pilots; therefore
the merged MEC will be responsible for the resolution of all grievances. The
pre-merger Delta MEC believes that close consultation with the pre-merger
Northwest MEC Contract Administration committee is essential when dealing
with the pre-merger Northwest grievances.
2. The ISSL award explicitly and clearly establishes a method for the premerger
parties to develop a dispute resolution process for handling any
issues relative to the ISSL and is binding on both pre-merger pilot groups.
3. The pre-merger Delta and Northwest MEC Negotiating committee
signatories to the JCBA are forever the negotiators of that agreement and
their status as the negotiators of the JCBA does not change with the election
of new MEC officers and the formation of a merged MEC. The pre-merger
Delta MEC believes that consultation with both pre-merger MEC Negotiating
committees is essential when dealing with issues related to the negotiation of
the JCBA.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC remains steadfastly committed to
continuing the guiding principle of fair and equal representation for all pilots of the
newly merged Delta Air Lines in all matters pertaining to Association business.
Passed: Unanimous.
Does the Delta MEC ever have a non-unanimous recorded vote or a roll call vote?
07-16-2009, 08:46 AM
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So confused, the nuances of the MEC and sexy coeds on one thread...
07-16-2009, 09:03 AM
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ap 215 dal take perp
07-16-2009, 09:03 AM
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ATLANTA (AP) -- Union officials say 215 Delta Air Lines pilots have agreed to retire as part of a company incentive program designed to reduce the number of pilots to cut costs.
Pilots with at least 10 years of service as of the end of this year and whose age and years of service added together equal at least 55 were eligible to participate by Wednesday's deadline. Those who agreed to retire can revoke their decision if they do so by July 31. Of the more than 12,000 pilots at Delta, some 9,400 were eligible to participate.
The Atlanta-based company has not said how many pilots it hoped to cut.
Delta has cut capacity as the economy has weakened and demand for air travel has declined.
Pilots with at least 10 years of service as of the end of this year and whose age and years of service added together equal at least 55 were eligible to participate by Wednesday's deadline. Those who agreed to retire can revoke their decision if they do so by July 31. Of the more than 12,000 pilots at Delta, some 9,400 were eligible to participate.
The Atlanta-based company has not said how many pilots it hoped to cut.
Delta has cut capacity as the economy has weakened and demand for air travel has declined.
07-16-2009, 09:16 AM
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215 is on several news sites but nothing official on the union page or Deltanet that I can see. 215 is great though.
07-16-2009, 09:19 AM
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Good news!!
its great that the AP gets the info before the pilot group
its great that the AP gets the info before the pilot group
07-16-2009, 09:24 AM
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That, minus pull & plug is 59 plug numbers, if you ignore status and category
Next time we merge, can we leave the Delta pilot Excel wizard at home? We do not need to enable any more technically challenged arbitrators with new toys to create precedent breaking awards.
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