Ferd149

It's all good, I just hate LJ. Plus Ive though DW was a jerk since the first Dallas championship series. What was that, 6 - 7 years ago

Boomer

Maybe Bill already answered this, but how can Delta get DCI down to 125 CRJs in 2015 when they just extended Pinnacle's 143 CRJs until 2017-2022?

Is Anderson being dishonest with DALPA or the Bankruptcy judge?

80ktsClamp

There are outs for those jets in the new CPA.

Ferd149

I think it's a "pass it and we'll see how they use it". The no guys see the dark side and yes guys see Yoda pulling the fighter outta the swamp.

Ferd

Waves

Clamp, that was only a joke, but if it doesn't pass, do you and others think miraculously all the hidden loopholes, the concessionary items, and pay issues will all just go away in the next round? Doubt it very much. If we begin renegotiations, best we could realistically hope for would be a tweak here and there and maybe a percent or two increases in pay. If we go for the jugular, I would expect to see prolonged talks ending in another failure. For a short three year TA/contract with the world/economy in extremely volatile turmoil, I think this is a really bad idea. I guess if the TA goes down, at some point either you or I will be saying, “I told you so.” I hope it would be you and not me. You could be correct about the 717's coming anyway, but that is certainly contrary to what the MEC is telling us. Personally, other than more overall DAL mainline flying, the 717's don't mean squat to me anyway unless the airline gets cut in half. BTW: How many loopholes and scope inefficiencies do you think are in the contract we have now?

flyallnite

If I hear how "the world is in turmoil" again I'm going to vomit. There will always be global strife. We are living through the biggest economic shift in history. Wealth is moving up the food chain. ALPA has decidedly placed the piloting profession with the other losers in the economy, instead of where it belongs---with the doctors, lawyers, national union reps...and other professions. This TA cements that position.

Where I live, they are building 4 million dollar homes like there is no tomorrow. Our airplanes are record full, and not with 99 dollar fare sales-- those people have to drive now. The world has changed. ALPA national knows it, and they are securing their positions at the table by ensuring a cozy relationship with the corporations. We will be left far behind. This TA is the biggest, bald-faced sell out in history. There won't be a 'next time'.

Waves

IMO: Going back to the table right now for what I would perceive as nickels and dimes is extremely foolish. (Not referring to you here) Placing one’s head in the sand (or other dark areas) and ignoring our surrounding environment is a very unwise line of attack. The economy sucks right now. Some of the guys here seem to have the “Damn the torpedoes” mentality. If our country and the World’s outlook were better, I too would probably have more reluctance for voting yes, but it just isn’t good out there. Is anyone paying attention to what’s happening to the AMR guys? My preference is to make sure the company is stronger than the others in these recessionary times so we can survive and come back to fight another day. Right now, I would be happy with “A bird in the hand.” For argument sake, let’s say we turn the TA down and we force the company to eat those 50 seat RJ’s. After all, they ordered the aircraft right! They will still reduce the RJ population all they can anyway, right! True, but when our next contract becomes amendable and the company was forced to swallow red ink on these aircraft and all that comes with them, how amenable does one think management will be for pilot pay increases then? Lastly, many of these posts seem to completely counter what the MEC is telling us. Are we to infer that the MEC will not be held accountable for their statements and they are lying about the facts of the TA?

NuGuy

Nickels and dimes all add up.

Life is a game of inches.

Al Pacino's Inspirational Speech - YouTube

Nu

Waves

I hate to make you vomit, but you had better get a bag. The world is in UNPRECEDENTED turmoil. This is not your run of the mill turmoil. Your head is firmly planted in the sand. Since the advent of safer and more user friendly aircraft, we have lost our “Doctor/Lawyer” status long ago. The sooner you come to terms with this fact, the quicker you will be able to see daylight again. I don’t like it anymore than you do, but it is reality. The three Cadillac per month pay has passed many years ago. The party is over, and you and I missed it. Live with it. P.S. Unless you are retiring next month, there will always be a next time.

forgot to bid

Ferd, where did your Yoda analogy go? Good one it was.

BTW, Newk would've just pulled his X-Wing fighter out of the swap on his own, screw that little green alien and his stupid mind games.