Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-15-2012, 10:49 AM
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What exactly was wrong about my post?
06-15-2012, 11:31 AM
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The other work groups that received raises will be working more.
06-15-2012, 11:34 AM
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Not an Apple hater (in fact I may have to buy an iPad for the convenience of the new electronic pubs) but on my Android phone my alternative keyboard allows me to delete the auto corrects that I don't like and continues to learn from my writing styles. Just couldn't get into the Apple iPhone (didn't think much of WP7 either).
06-15-2012, 11:37 AM
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For how many hours? At 5:15/day that's an 84 hour line at a minimum.
They won't be able to force you over your 84 hour line, even at the highest ALV of the year. DPA doesn't change under the TA. ADG is added for the rare 88 day with a DH only. How exactly will you be working more that you currently are? Also, you'll be paid more than 20% more (88 guys get the extra bump to 90 pay) for that 84 hours in 2.5 years.
Here's a simple math exercise:
84 hour line at $100.14/hr (5 year 88 FO - current contract) = $8,411.76
84 hour line at $123.36/hr (still 5 year 88 FO - TA on 1/1/2015) = $10,362.24
I didn't include longevity steps for this pilot to keep it apples-to-apples. The difference = $1950.48/month
So you will be working the same number of days (to get the same monthly line) for nearly an extra $2000/month in 2.5 years. This is on the 2nd smallest paying aircraft we have.
I'm still failing to see what you're concerned with?? If you want to work a little less, then bid a lower time line - same as today.
They won't be able to force you over your 84 hour line, even at the highest ALV of the year. DPA doesn't change under the TA. ADG is added for the rare 88 day with a DH only. How exactly will you be working more that you currently are? Also, you'll be paid more than 20% more (88 guys get the extra bump to 90 pay) for that 84 hours in 2.5 years.
Here's a simple math exercise:
84 hour line at $100.14/hr (5 year 88 FO - current contract) = $8,411.76
84 hour line at $123.36/hr (still 5 year 88 FO - TA on 1/1/2015) = $10,362.24
I didn't include longevity steps for this pilot to keep it apples-to-apples. The difference = $1950.48/month
So you will be working the same number of days (to get the same monthly line) for nearly an extra $2000/month in 2.5 years. This is on the 2nd smallest paying aircraft we have.
I'm still failing to see what you're concerned with?? If you want to work a little less, then bid a lower time line - same as today.
06-15-2012, 11:44 AM
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Many of the LAX trips won't qualify for the ADG either as they report after 22:00. This is a huge negative in the TA and I freely admit they should not have been cut out. Most of the other bases will see nearly a 30% increase in credit on those crappy 3 days though, so for plenty of pilots this will result in less days worked.
On the other hand, your schedule won't be any worse than it currently is (small consolation I know, ha) as the OP was asserting. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've been fighting it, but time is turning me ATL-centric
06-15-2012, 11:50 AM
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Do you dispute my math or assumptions? Are you saying you want the reps to tell you what to do? You need Wall Street to howl over our pay to think it's good enough? You WANT DCI pilots filing injunctions (despite what Carl might have you believe, this is not a possibility given the TA)?
Again, dispute my math if you can. How does that result in similar w2's? I see a 5 year 88 FO making nearly 25k more/year using the assumptions I listed above. Bigger aircraft/seats will see similar or better results. Reserve pilots benefit even more. How does voting NO provide for more (not just talking about $)?
Again, dispute my math if you can. How does that result in similar w2's? I see a 5 year 88 FO making nearly 25k more/year using the assumptions I listed above. Bigger aircraft/seats will see similar or better results. Reserve pilots benefit even more. How does voting NO provide for more (not just talking about $)?
06-15-2012, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare 
So what about our little wager? Care to put your money where your mouth is?
Sure T-bagger
Except the original offer still stands.
If I may refresh your recollection. That offer was made well over a week ago and you wanted to modify it to over 10 x the original amount along with some obscure metrosexual sounding rare Italian liquor that you happen to procure only on your Rome layovers.
Even though a week has passed, and by nature you'd have to sit on your hands and color for only two weeks now instead of three, I still say your self inflated ego ego will seek more validation and you won't be able to do it
So, my offer of $100 and a case of beer or $30 dollars in lieu of that if you want to put it towards your special cordial or aperitif or whatever it is that tickles you, great.
As an FO with kids and family and a retirement I am still trying to re-fund, that is all I can afford on this post bankruptcy era pay we are on. Did I forget saving for college.
Just tell ACL if you except. My guess is, particularly now, your ego coupled with the superciliousness that oozes from you won't allow you to do it. You really hate it when folks question your preemninence and in your mind don't pay distinction to your rank(s).
Did the zoo or the boy scouts do that to you?
So what about our little wager? Care to put your money where your mouth is?
Sure T-bagger
Except the original offer still stands.
If I may refresh your recollection. That offer was made well over a week ago and you wanted to modify it to over 10 x the original amount along with some obscure metrosexual sounding rare Italian liquor that you happen to procure only on your Rome layovers.
Even though a week has passed, and by nature you'd have to sit on your hands and color for only two weeks now instead of three, I still say your self inflated ego ego will seek more validation and you won't be able to do it
So, my offer of $100 and a case of beer or $30 dollars in lieu of that if you want to put it towards your special cordial or aperitif or whatever it is that tickles you, great.
As an FO with kids and family and a retirement I am still trying to re-fund, that is all I can afford on this post bankruptcy era pay we are on. Did I forget saving for college.
Just tell ACL if you except. My guess is, particularly now, your ego coupled with the superciliousness that oozes from you won't allow you to do it. You really hate it when folks question your preemninence and in your mind don't pay distinction to your rank(s).
Did the zoo or the boy scouts do that to you?
06-15-2012, 12:23 PM
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06-15-2012, 12:27 PM
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Expectations not managed
I voted no to tripling the size of compass.
If you can't see that your a moron and need to call sick.....and yes we'll need a doctors note for that now.
Fly2002
If you can't see that your a moron and need to call sick.....and yes we'll need a doctors note for that now.
Fly2002
06-15-2012, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So what about our little wager? Care to put your money where your mouth is?
Sure T-bagger
Except the original offer still stands.
If I may refresh your recollection. That offer was made well over a week ago and you wanted to modify it to over 10 x the original amount along with some obscure metrosexual sounding rare Italian liquor that you happen to procure only on your Rome layovers.
Even though a week has passed, and by nature you'd have to sit on your hands and color for only two weeks now instead of three, I still say your self inflated ego ego will seek more validation and you won't be able to do it
So, my offer of $100 and a case of beer or $30 dollars in lieu of that if you want to put it towards your special cordial or aperitif or whatever it is that tickles you, great.
As an FO with kids and family and a retirement I am still trying to re-fund, that is all I can afford on this post bankruptcy era pay we are on. Did I forget saving for college.
Just tell ACL if you except. My guess is, particularly now, your ego coupled with the superciliousness that oozes from you won't allow you to do it. You really hate it when folks question your preemninence and in your mind don't pay distinction to your rank(s).
Did the zoo or the boy scouts do that to you?
So what about our little wager? Care to put your money where your mouth is?
Sure T-bagger
Except the original offer still stands.
If I may refresh your recollection. That offer was made well over a week ago and you wanted to modify it to over 10 x the original amount along with some obscure metrosexual sounding rare Italian liquor that you happen to procure only on your Rome layovers.
Even though a week has passed, and by nature you'd have to sit on your hands and color for only two weeks now instead of three, I still say your self inflated ego ego will seek more validation and you won't be able to do it
So, my offer of $100 and a case of beer or $30 dollars in lieu of that if you want to put it towards your special cordial or aperitif or whatever it is that tickles you, great.
As an FO with kids and family and a retirement I am still trying to re-fund, that is all I can afford on this post bankruptcy era pay we are on. Did I forget saving for college.
Just tell ACL if you except. My guess is, particularly now, your ego coupled with the superciliousness that oozes from you won't allow you to do it. You really hate it when folks question your preemninence and in your mind don't pay distinction to your rank(s).
Did the zoo or the boy scouts do that to you?
You're on.. I will PM ACL. He will tell you where to send the $130 check.
Funny that you complain about being poor, yet you will vote away a 20% pay increase... must not be too broke.
But I can stand on my head for 2 weeks easy...
C ya.. after I sign off today, I won't be back until the vote is over.
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