Originally Posted by buzzpat

Jerry, are you for real? You're going to take your ball and go home? How mature. I don't disagree with your perspective on the TA. I do, however, have a problem with your approach with your fellow pilots.

Not cool.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry

I just don't get it. All of you are so hard line against this deal without any reason to be. It's as if you don't understand what exactly you are entitled to. Even if oil tanked and the economy surged, if AMR, and UCAL pilots waived their scope clauses and agreed to a 50% pay cut then what do you think we'd have as negotiating capital, even if there were billions of dollars flowing in the door. Unfortunately for us those dollars don't belong to us, as Delta is a publicly traded company with investors and share holders much more "entitled" to that money than a labor group covered by the RLA. We are at the service of the department of transportation and department of commerce at prevailing market wages. End of story.

In addition the con arguments towards the TA, are in fact, disingenuous in terms of the greater "collective" good of the pilot group. Rather than listen to ALPA you've mocked them, made false statements against them, ridiculed them, and effectively ignored their well reasoned logic in your bizarre and twisted logic about loopholes and threats from the CPO with regard to your sick time.

Perhaps the old adage, do unto others as you'd have others do unto you applies her - you're getting what you asked for.

And don't be so sensitive. We're all men here. Don't cry on your keyboard. It's ok.

Originally Posted by slowplay

Some background: PCL provides about 4.5% of Delta's system capacity and 1/3 of DCI capacity. In general, PCL flies the newest and most "desirable" CRJ-200 in DCI's fleet. These are the ones Delta would prefer to retain, and the new ASA has 140 under contract.

You might want to look at the bankruptcy court documents to see if what you heard is correct. It's all in the DIP (Exhibit E, which was modified by a sealed document at DIP approval). The PCL CRJ-200 was extended until lease/financing expiration (from 12/31/17 and now at individual dates through 2022). There are a bunch of other provisions in there. Delta does have the right to replace 16 CRJ-200 aircraft under PCL contract one for one with 70+ seat aircraft. Strange that PCL is rejecting 16 CRJ-900. Dot?



Chatauqua does have a lease rejection clause, it's in the Delta 10-K under Notes. Even though Comair is owned by Delta, the CRJ-200 in its fleet have ownership costs even if they're parked. The only savings are DCI ASA costs.

Your timeline leaves a big problem for Delta. PCL is in bankruptcy. If they quit operating Delta loses 4.5% of its capacity. No plan of reorganization will be approved by the court that doesn't leave PCL a survivable entity (at least on paper). The rest of the creditors (including a deceased Colgan family estate, ALPA and the Steelworkers) wouldn't sit around and let Delta carve up the PCL carcass just for itself. They would fare better in a liquidation. That's their nuke aimed at Delta...mutual assured destruction (PCL annihilated as you describe, Delta unprofitable until it can recover the feed).

Next is a replacement aircraft timing problem. The C series is a paper airplane that isn't proposed to be in revenue service until 2015/6 (remember the 787 delay). In your scenario Delta needs lift tomorrow. The first 717 doesn't show up until 2nd half 2013. They come at 3 per month after that. Again, you're talking about getting creditors to agree to immolate for Delta's benefit, and doing it over the next 2 years.




At least somebody is finally looking at potential management plan B/C/D/E should this TA go down and see the amount of leverage that's actually available. Unfortunately this scenario isn't remotely realistic, but there are several others that are real world possible. Dot?

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

Love DOTS, feel free to share more and any potential plans

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Ahem, crybaby.... the guy you quoted appears to be voting yes.

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

Love DOTS, feel free to share more and any potential plans

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Ahem, crybaby.... the guy you quoted appears to be voting yes.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry

I just don't get it. All of you are so hard line against this deal without any reason to be. It's as if you don't understand what exactly you are entitled to. Even if oil tanked and the economy surged, if AMR, and UCAL pilots waived their scope clauses and agreed to a 50% pay cut then what do you think we'd have as negotiating capital, even if there were billions of dollars flowing in the door. Unfortunately for us those dollars don't belong to us, as Delta is a publicly traded company with investors and share holders much more "entitled" to that money than a labor group covered by the RLA. We are at the service of the department of transportation and department of commerce at prevailing market wages. End of story.

In addition the con arguments towards the TA, are in fact, disingenuous in terms of the greater "collective" good of the pilot group. Rather than listen to ALPA you've mocked them, made false statements against them, ridiculed them, and effectively ignored their well reasoned logic in your bizarre and twisted logic about loopholes and threats from the CPO with regard to your sick time.

Perhaps the old adage, do unto others as you'd have others do unto you applies her - you're getting what you asked for.

And don't be so sensitive. We're all men here. Don't cry on your keyboard. It's ok.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry

I'm gonna be if this thing doesn't pass because I'll look at every no voter like he selfishly stole my $60,000. And I want my $60,000. I just hope that when it does pass you all see the error in your ways and work on some unity rather than your current disingenuous behavior.