Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-12-2012, 06:04 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 737A
Posts: 1,890
What would the company consider more negative?
A) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 7 different times for 1-2 reserve days at a time.
B) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 3 times for 8 day reserve stretches.
Pilot A only misses 10 days of reserve over 7 calls or pilot B who misses 24 days of reserve over 3 calls? Any thoughts?
A) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 7 different times for 1-2 reserve days at a time.
B) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 3 times for 8 day reserve stretches.
Pilot A only misses 10 days of reserve over 7 calls or pilot B who misses 24 days of reserve over 3 calls? Any thoughts?
06-12-2012, 06:16 AM
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
1: For reserves, 12 in a 30 day month, 13 in a 31 day month. I've never seen below 12 days off for a lineholder (you can pick up to below that, though). Most lines are about 15-16 days off.
2. DTW and NYC- although the smallest narrowbodies can be held by very junior people in other more senior bases. ATL is by far the most senior base, but 2010 newhires (the last hired) can hold DC-9 FO there.
3. Commuting is a choice. Ask the ALPAoids.
(I think it's you have to be listed on 2 flights that have seats available or something.... I'll defer to a commuter!)
2. DTW and NYC- although the smallest narrowbodies can be held by very junior people in other more senior bases. ATL is by far the most senior base, but 2010 newhires (the last hired) can hold DC-9 FO there.
3. Commuting is a choice. Ask the ALPAoids.
(I think it's you have to be listed on 2 flights that have seats available or something.... I'll defer to a commuter!)1. A commuting pilot is expected to arrive at his base with sufficient time and with adequate rest prior to beginning scheduled duty.
2. A commuting pilot who is unable to report to his base as scheduled, due to an interruption to his travel plans, will notify Crew Scheduling of his inability to report as soon as possible.
Crew Scheduling may, at its discretion:
a. deadhead the pilot (without pay or credit) to join his rotation,
b. place the pilot on his rotation when it transits his base (without a rotation guarantee),
c. remove the pilot from the rotation without pay, or
d. remove the reserve pilot from his on-call day without pay.
Note: Such day will be considered a non-fly day for purposes of A commuting pilot who travels to his base by air will not be eligible for treatment under 2 Section 23 Y. 2. unless he has attempted to travel on at least two flights (on and/or off 3 line) that:
a. show adequate actual seat availability within 24 hours of the departure, considering the pilot's seniority and the normal load factor of the flight; or, on which the pilot has a jumpseat reservation,
b. are scheduled to arrive at his base at a reasonable time before his scheduled report, and
c. are separated by at least two hours.
4. It is expected that a pilot will avail himself of Section 23 Y. 2. on a rare basis. 5. A pilot who has demonstrated a pattern of inability to report as scheduled will be subject 12 to progressive disciplinary action.
6. If the FAA amends its policies to treat commuting time as a break in a pilot's rest period:
a. this commuting policy will be canceled, and
b. the Company and Association will seek agreement on a suitable replacement for this 16 commuting policy.
We also have an FOM Policy(which means management can yank it whenever they want) called the Unable to Commute policy. If we give ourselves 2 flights and can't make first and the second is also full, just call scheduling and they positive space you. I have commuted to DTW and now NYC, and have yet to needed to use this policy. Knock on wood.
06-12-2012, 06:22 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,959
06-12-2012, 06:31 AM
Sho me da money!
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: B25, Left
Posts: 947
06-12-2012, 06:36 AM
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Sick out question on reserve.
Suppose you get sick and have 1 day left on reserve, followed by 1 day off, followed by more on call days. For example:
Tues: Reserve (Call in Sick)
Wed: Off
Thur: Reserve
Fri: Reserve (Call in Well)
If you call in sick on Tuesday and call in well on Friday, is this considered 1 sick call? How does the company handle the Off day? Would you use sick time on the Off day?
Thanks.
Suppose you get sick and have 1 day left on reserve, followed by 1 day off, followed by more on call days. For example:
Tues: Reserve (Call in Sick)
Wed: Off
Thur: Reserve
Fri: Reserve (Call in Well)
If you call in sick on Tuesday and call in well on Friday, is this considered 1 sick call? How does the company handle the Off day? Would you use sick time on the Off day?
Thanks.
Your situation is only one sick call. From the time you call in sick until the time you call in well is one event.
06-12-2012, 06:39 AM
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
What would the company consider more negative?
A) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 7 different times for 1-2 reserve days at a time.
B) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 3 times for 8 day reserve stretches.
Pilot A only misses 10 days of reserve over 7 calls or pilot B who misses 24 days of reserve over 3 calls? Any thoughts?
Or maybe I should ask which pilot is most likely to get a call from the CP regarding attendance.
A) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 7 different times for 1-2 reserve days at a time.
B) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 3 times for 8 day reserve stretches.
Pilot A only misses 10 days of reserve over 7 calls or pilot B who misses 24 days of reserve over 3 calls? Any thoughts?
Or maybe I should ask which pilot is most likely to get a call from the CP regarding attendance.
06-12-2012, 06:57 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Right Seat
Posts: 1,458
80 covered 1 & 2 well. I'll cover 3 since I'm a commuter. Here is the commuting policy covered in our current contract. It's identical in the proposed TA.
1. A commuting pilot is expected to arrive at his base with sufficient time and with adequate rest prior to beginning scheduled duty.
2. A commuting pilot who is unable to report to his base as scheduled, due to an interruption to his travel plans, will notify Crew Scheduling of his inability to report as soon as possible.
Crew Scheduling may, at its discretion:
a. deadhead the pilot (without pay or credit) to join his rotation,
b. place the pilot on his rotation when it transits his base (without a rotation guarantee),
c. remove the pilot from the rotation without pay, or
d. remove the reserve pilot from his on-call day without pay.
Note: Such day will be considered a non-fly day for purposes of A commuting pilot who travels to his base by air will not be eligible for treatment under 2 Section 23 Y. 2. unless he has attempted to travel on at least two flights (on and/or off 3 line) that:
a. show adequate actual seat availability within 24 hours of the departure, considering the pilot's seniority and the normal load factor of the flight; or, on which the pilot has a jumpseat reservation,
b. are scheduled to arrive at his base at a reasonable time before his scheduled report, and
c. are separated by at least two hours.
4. It is expected that a pilot will avail himself of Section 23 Y. 2. on a rare basis. 5. A pilot who has demonstrated a pattern of inability to report as scheduled will be subject 12 to progressive disciplinary action.
6. If the FAA amends its policies to treat commuting time as a break in a pilot's rest period:
a. this commuting policy will be canceled, and
b. the Company and Association will seek agreement on a suitable replacement for this 16 commuting policy.
We also have an FOM Policy(which means management can yank it whenever they want) called the Unable to Commute policy. If we give ourselves 2 flights and can't make first and the second is also full, just call scheduling and they positive space you. I have commuted to DTW and now NYC, and have yet to needed to use this policy. Knock on wood.
1. A commuting pilot is expected to arrive at his base with sufficient time and with adequate rest prior to beginning scheduled duty.
2. A commuting pilot who is unable to report to his base as scheduled, due to an interruption to his travel plans, will notify Crew Scheduling of his inability to report as soon as possible.
Crew Scheduling may, at its discretion:
a. deadhead the pilot (without pay or credit) to join his rotation,
b. place the pilot on his rotation when it transits his base (without a rotation guarantee),
c. remove the pilot from the rotation without pay, or
d. remove the reserve pilot from his on-call day without pay.
Note: Such day will be considered a non-fly day for purposes of A commuting pilot who travels to his base by air will not be eligible for treatment under 2 Section 23 Y. 2. unless he has attempted to travel on at least two flights (on and/or off 3 line) that:
a. show adequate actual seat availability within 24 hours of the departure, considering the pilot's seniority and the normal load factor of the flight; or, on which the pilot has a jumpseat reservation,
b. are scheduled to arrive at his base at a reasonable time before his scheduled report, and
c. are separated by at least two hours.
4. It is expected that a pilot will avail himself of Section 23 Y. 2. on a rare basis. 5. A pilot who has demonstrated a pattern of inability to report as scheduled will be subject 12 to progressive disciplinary action.
6. If the FAA amends its policies to treat commuting time as a break in a pilot's rest period:
a. this commuting policy will be canceled, and
b. the Company and Association will seek agreement on a suitable replacement for this 16 commuting policy.
We also have an FOM Policy(which means management can yank it whenever they want) called the Unable to Commute policy. If we give ourselves 2 flights and can't make first and the second is also full, just call scheduling and they positive space you. I have commuted to DTW and now NYC, and have yet to needed to use this policy. Knock on wood.
06-12-2012, 07:40 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Posts: 917
Is somebody getting hormone swings from the pregnancy?
I didn't know the 25 year old 2008 hire had feelings
Not directed at you, but your post is a good springboard. Some of you guys are confusing me...making up spreadsheets or throwing Mettler math and talking about "facts", then when those are shown to be made up talking about feelings.
There's got to be a good Youtube that would fit here.
I didn't know the 25 year old 2008 hire had feelings
Not directed at you, but your post is a good springboard. Some of you guys are confusing me...making up spreadsheets or throwing Mettler math and talking about "facts", then when those are shown to be made up talking about feelings.
There's got to be a good Youtube that would fit here.
Slow, I respect your opinion and information here on the forums when it's not laced by spin, insults, or just plain avoidance. I have a problem that 70% of the time you avoid the questions and when you do answer something its so vague or so politically nauseating I question the validity.
I know there's a lot of BS being flung from both camps, but it's ok to agree with someone or even acknowledge that there is a problem.
06-12-2012, 07:56 AM
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
What a bunch of crap. What you call fear might just be guys looking at the logic of our position, and the deal before us being the good deal it is and voting accordingly. YOU spin it as fear.
06-12-2012, 08:11 AM
Senior by choice
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 426
It has become more and more difficult to distinguish your posts from Carl's. You two have the same lack of ability to see other peoples viewpoints. It's either your way or the highway....maybe its time for a break.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
