dalad

Sorry, I meant CHA. I remember as an MD-88 FO in the early 90's going to all those places including AGS.

slowplay

Is somebody getting hormone swings from the pregnancy?

I didn't know the 25 year old 2008 hire had feelings

Not directed at you, but your post is a good springboard. Some of you guys are confusing me...making up spreadsheets or throwing Mettler math and talking about "facts", then when those are shown to be made up talking about feelings.

There's got to be a good Youtube that would fit here.

slowplay

But you don't want to see it.

311 CRJ-200 under contract through 2015. Management wants 125, and with us they can get there. Without us they will probably get about halfway there. 75-100 additional 50 seaters that don't need to be backfilled by mainline.

Connect those dots.

sailingfun

You don't have to invent reasons to vote no for the contract or as some are doing just make things up. I had certain expectations of this contract. It fails those expectations up front in pay and retirement. I don't have to dream up other areas. I am however also under no illusions about voting no. I do not expect the company to come back to the table and sweeten the pot. Its not the way Delta has ever done business with unions and its not the way RA has done business. I can handle the traditional route. For me it comes down to respect. The company has shown a lack of respect for the pilot group and the sacrifices we have made to help get the company back to the position it is in today. The company has approached this as a business decision only. They know the RLA gives them the clout to make this the best offer and more then likely the most pay we can expect. I think they underestimate the simple respect factor and that it will not pass.
I read some of the no vote reasons and can't stop laughing. What next someone posting "Hey I read the contract and there is nothing to protect us from a Volcano erupting in Atlanta and covering the airport in 3 feet of ash! My god how could Dalpa overlook the possibility!".
You can vote no on nothing more then pay and retirement and a little respect that was due to the pilot group for the sacrifices we have made. No BS is needed.

FIIGMO

+1, must be the demographics where I am flying but APC seems to fuel the most no vote sentiment IMO. I like the debates and I see a lot of personal points of view on both sides, some rational and some down right bizarre. I to wish this thing was out of the way and we can get back to more light hearted civility. Best to all!

dragon

That's why most of us are pretty sure this thing will pass. Most aren't into debate or looking at where the company is going. They show up, fly their trip and leave.

cni187

Some of us like it this way!

TeddyKGB

What would the company consider more negative?

A) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 7 different times for 1-2 reserve days at a time.

B) A reserve pilot who over the past year called in sick 3 times for 8 day reserve stretches.

Pilot A only misses 10 days of reserve over 7 calls or pilot B who misses 24 days of reserve over 3 calls? Any thoughts?

Or maybe I should ask which pilot is most likely to get a call from the CP regarding attendance.

acl65pilot

I did not say I did not want to see it, I said that this agreement does not have enough quids in it.

One of my biggest concerns as I have stated before is the top tier ratio is too far below the business plan. A graduated check valve up where mainline is a much smaller first accumulator. Right now that is not the case.

I will say that the fear campaign seems to be working. Lots of guys hate this deal but are sold on the fear.

You talk in absolutes, as I said last night, the mtc contract does not need to be signed on July 1. The rest of the business plan that this whole deal sets us up for as some more time as well.

If AMR gets those contracts thrown out on June 22nd, DAL is going to want to move even quicker, and most will be fearful of allowing more seats if we send it back. I say that increases our leverage because its a lot cheaper and allows DAL to be first mover to go with dealing with us versus the rumored plan B which according to the reps I have talked to was not briefed to them.

acl65pilot

Sailing I agree with everything you have stated. My reason for pointing out what could happen with the given language is because we have had things happen under the current language. It is wise to show loopholes and when people don't see it, give em a scenario.

Padre2992 like to state ins paralysis though analysis, but the simple facts is I do not need any of those scenarios to come to a decision. I merely using them to illustrate a point.