Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-11-2012, 06:19 PM
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[evaluating a site for their business]
Dr. Peter Venkman: What do you think, Egon?
Dr. Egon Spengler: I think this building should be condemned. There's serious metal fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the wiring is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our power needs, and the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone.
Dr Ray Stantz: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Dr Ray Stantz: Wow. This place is great. When can we move in? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We should stay here. Tonight. Sleep here. You know, to try it out.
[Venkman looks at Spengler. Spengler slowly shakes his head. Venkman turns to the real estate agent]
Dr. Peter Venkman: I think we'll take it.
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[evaluating the TA]
FIIGMO: What do you think, Carl?
Carl Spackler: I think this TA should be condemned. There's serious scope fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the pay is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our staffing needs, and sitting reserve is like being in a demilitarized zone.
Bill Lumberg: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Bill Lumberg: Wow. This TA is great. When can we vote yes? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We vote now. Tonight. Start here. You know, to try it out.
[FIIGMO looks at Carl. Carl slowly shakes his head. FIIGMO turns to the company lawyers]
FIIGMO: I think we'll take it.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What do you think, Egon?
Dr. Egon Spengler: I think this building should be condemned. There's serious metal fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the wiring is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our power needs, and the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone.
Dr Ray Stantz: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Dr Ray Stantz: Wow. This place is great. When can we move in? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We should stay here. Tonight. Sleep here. You know, to try it out.
[Venkman looks at Spengler. Spengler slowly shakes his head. Venkman turns to the real estate agent]
Dr. Peter Venkman: I think we'll take it.
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[evaluating the TA]
FIIGMO: What do you think, Carl?
Carl Spackler: I think this TA should be condemned. There's serious scope fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the pay is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our staffing needs, and sitting reserve is like being in a demilitarized zone.
Bill Lumberg: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Bill Lumberg: Wow. This TA is great. When can we vote yes? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We vote now. Tonight. Start here. You know, to try it out.
[FIIGMO looks at Carl. Carl slowly shakes his head. FIIGMO turns to the company lawyers]
FIIGMO: I think we'll take it.
06-11-2012, 06:26 PM
Sho me da money!
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[evaluating a site for their business]
Dr. Peter Venkman: What do you think, Egon?
Dr. Egon Spengler: I think this building should be condemned. There's serious metal fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the wiring is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our power needs, and the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone.
Dr Ray Stantz: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Dr Ray Stantz: Wow. This place is great. When can we move in? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We should stay here. Tonight. Sleep here. You know, to try it out.
[Venkman looks at Spengler. Spengler slowly shakes his head. Venkman turns to the real estate agent]
Dr. Peter Venkman: I think we'll take it.
------------
[evaluating the TA]
FIIGMO: What do you think, Carl?
Carl Spackler: I think this TA should be condemned. There's serious scope fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the pay is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our staffing needs, and sitting reserve is like being in a demilitarized zone.
Bill Lumberg: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Bill Lumberg: Wow. This TA is great. When can we vote yes? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We vote now. Tonight. Start here. You know, to try it out.
[FIIGMO looks at Carl. Carl slowly shakes his head. FIIGMO turns to the company lawyers]
FIIGMO: I think we'll take it.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What do you think, Egon?
Dr. Egon Spengler: I think this building should be condemned. There's serious metal fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the wiring is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our power needs, and the neighborhood is like a demilitarized zone.
Dr Ray Stantz: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Dr Ray Stantz: Wow. This place is great. When can we move in? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We should stay here. Tonight. Sleep here. You know, to try it out.
[Venkman looks at Spengler. Spengler slowly shakes his head. Venkman turns to the real estate agent]
Dr. Peter Venkman: I think we'll take it.
------------
[evaluating the TA]
FIIGMO: What do you think, Carl?
Carl Spackler: I think this TA should be condemned. There's serious scope fatigue in all the load-bearing members, the pay is substandard, it's completely inadequate for our staffing needs, and sitting reserve is like being in a demilitarized zone.
Bill Lumberg: Hey. Does this pole still work?
[slides down a fireman's pole]
Bill Lumberg: Wow. This TA is great. When can we vote yes? You gotta try this pole. I'm gonna get my stuff. Hey. We vote now. Tonight. Start here. You know, to try it out.
[FIIGMO looks at Carl. Carl slowly shakes his head. FIIGMO turns to the company lawyers]
FIIGMO: I think we'll take it.
06-11-2012, 06:36 PM
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Agreed, I am still on the fence because of the pay and retirement. 5 10 5 and 5 would have worked for me, with a little more to the DC plan. Why we had to give up a third of the profit sharing is beyond me.
Who put out the 2-2.5 billion number on re-engining the RJ's? It seems high to me at 10-12.5 million per airframe.
Who put out the 2-2.5 billion number on re-engining the RJ's? It seems high to me at 10-12.5 million per airframe.
I guess the DTW LEC rep is "full of dung" too...............
A response to an email I sent My LEC rep
On Jun 11, 2012, at 19:14, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry to bother you. I know you've been very busy lately. One ? Approx how much will the mx on the 5o seaters cost? I've heard anywhere from $200 million, to $2.5 billion. I tend to believe the closer to $2.5 billion.
Thx
Mixed numbers from 1-2.5b. 2b was initial number given MEC. Not important. Critical number is how much company will save with parking rjs. This is a one time cost and we should get a "finders fee". At nieces graduation in Oregon. Back in Dtw tomorrow. Call if you wish
06-11-2012, 07:28 PM
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The CRJ-200s have -3B1 engines. Looks like from the data below a 3B1 has a $116/hour cost and overhauls at 25,000 hours. Basically $2.9M per engine. If this is right, $116 x 25,000 x 2 x 319 airplanes is $1.850 B.
The thing is not all 315 or so airplanes are due up on these inspections. On an average amount of flying of around, using Alfa's provided number, 2,700 hours the engines would hit their overhaul at around 9 years. So how many airplanes are in a time period for a swap? Let me count all those 7-10 years old and I come up with 150.
Do the same math and its $870M or $0.870B, but that's just for the engines. I don't know if I add thrust reversers because that brings it up to just shy of $1B. And then there is the C checks, if I am supposed to add then $1.2B is the total number. If it's 250 airplanes, well then there is the $2.2B.
All a guess working off this below, Alfa's numbers and airfleets:
The thing is not all 315 or so airplanes are due up on these inspections. On an average amount of flying of around, using Alfa's provided number, 2,700 hours the engines would hit their overhaul at around 9 years. So how many airplanes are in a time period for a swap? Let me count all those 7-10 years old and I come up with 150.
Do the same math and its $870M or $0.870B, but that's just for the engines. I don't know if I add thrust reversers because that brings it up to just shy of $1B. And then there is the C checks, if I am supposed to add then $1.2B is the total number. If it's 250 airplanes, well then there is the $2.2B.
All a guess working off this below, Alfa's numbers and airfleets:
http://www.team.aero/files/aviation_..._guide_crj.pdf
EFH is engine flight hours and EFC is engine flight cycles fwiw.
-3B1
“In the case of the -3B1 we follow the practice of removing the HPT off-wing at Delta TechOps,” continues Stricklin. “We first do a mid-life HPT removal at the first shop visit after 10,000-12,000EFC on-wing. We do minor work with the first stage HPT nozzles and combustor liners at this stage, as well as some minor stuff on the HPC.
“The engine can then remain on-wing to a total time of 18,000EFC when the LLP life is expired in the HPT,” continues Stricklin. “The HPT and combustor have a full workscope to this stage, with HPT LLPs replaced. Little work is done on the fan and HPC, and the LPT needs no work at all until its LLP limit of 25,000EFC, when a third removal and shop visit are carried out and all modules are overhauled and have their LLPs replaced. Iberia follows a pattern of two removals and shop visits for the -3B1. “Mid-life maintenance can be done on the HPT module at some point during the life limit of the LLP with the shortest life. This is 17,000-18,000EFC in the case of most engines,” continues Pablo.
A workscope on the HPT will use about 300MH in labour, about $460,000 in parts, $50,000 for sub-contract repairs, and $20,000 for the HPT removal and replacement. This would have a total cost of $550,000. The LLPs replaced at this stage would be the four HPT parts with lives of 18,000EFC, which have a list price of about $156,000.
The second removal interval depends on the remaining lives of LLPs in the replacement HPT, and the shortest life in the HPC. This is the blisk, which has a life of 22,200EFC for most currently operating engines. In 2008 a new post-SB 72-240 blisk part number was introduced to improve its life to 25,000EFC. A full overhaul of these modules was carried out at a total time of 22,000EFC or 25,000EFC. Usually, most LLPs in the fan, HPC and LPT would be replaced in the modules that have a full disassembly performed on them.”
The second shop visit would be an overhaul, and have a similar cost to the -3A1 as described. The remaining LLPs in the engine would be replaced at this stage, and have a list price of $990,000.
The cost of the two shop visits would be amortised over 22,200EFC or 25,000EFC, depending on the HPC blisk part number fitted in the engine. The combined reserve would be $62-70 per EFC, depending on interval. Corresponding LLP reserves would be $49-54 per EFC. The total reserves for the -3B1 would therefore be $111-134 per EFC. This is equal to $96-116 per EFH
EFH is engine flight hours and EFC is engine flight cycles fwiw.
-3B1
“In the case of the -3B1 we follow the practice of removing the HPT off-wing at Delta TechOps,” continues Stricklin. “We first do a mid-life HPT removal at the first shop visit after 10,000-12,000EFC on-wing. We do minor work with the first stage HPT nozzles and combustor liners at this stage, as well as some minor stuff on the HPC.
“The engine can then remain on-wing to a total time of 18,000EFC when the LLP life is expired in the HPT,” continues Stricklin. “The HPT and combustor have a full workscope to this stage, with HPT LLPs replaced. Little work is done on the fan and HPC, and the LPT needs no work at all until its LLP limit of 25,000EFC, when a third removal and shop visit are carried out and all modules are overhauled and have their LLPs replaced. Iberia follows a pattern of two removals and shop visits for the -3B1. “Mid-life maintenance can be done on the HPT module at some point during the life limit of the LLP with the shortest life. This is 17,000-18,000EFC in the case of most engines,” continues Pablo.
A workscope on the HPT will use about 300MH in labour, about $460,000 in parts, $50,000 for sub-contract repairs, and $20,000 for the HPT removal and replacement. This would have a total cost of $550,000. The LLPs replaced at this stage would be the four HPT parts with lives of 18,000EFC, which have a list price of about $156,000.
The second removal interval depends on the remaining lives of LLPs in the replacement HPT, and the shortest life in the HPC. This is the blisk, which has a life of 22,200EFC for most currently operating engines. In 2008 a new post-SB 72-240 blisk part number was introduced to improve its life to 25,000EFC. A full overhaul of these modules was carried out at a total time of 22,000EFC or 25,000EFC. Usually, most LLPs in the fan, HPC and LPT would be replaced in the modules that have a full disassembly performed on them.”
The second shop visit would be an overhaul, and have a similar cost to the -3A1 as described. The remaining LLPs in the engine would be replaced at this stage, and have a list price of $990,000.
The cost of the two shop visits would be amortised over 22,200EFC or 25,000EFC, depending on the HPC blisk part number fitted in the engine. The combined reserve would be $62-70 per EFC, depending on interval. Corresponding LLP reserves would be $49-54 per EFC. The total reserves for the -3B1 would therefore be $111-134 per EFC. This is equal to $96-116 per EFH
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06-11-2012, 07:37 PM
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What's the estimated lease on the 717s? George?
Because what was the estimate? $12M/ea? $1.44M lease per year based on normal 1% of value per month? $126.7M each year once at 88 airframes?
Doesn't seem like a whole lot considering the big right sizing you get. If that's right, just park 14-15 CRJ-200s a year and you have your 717s paid for.
Dang, where is George?
Because what was the estimate? $12M/ea? $1.44M lease per year based on normal 1% of value per month? $126.7M each year once at 88 airframes?
Doesn't seem like a whole lot considering the big right sizing you get. If that's right, just park 14-15 CRJ-200s a year and you have your 717s paid for.
Dang, where is George?
06-11-2012, 07:40 PM
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What's the estimated lease on the 717s? George?
Because what was the estimate? $12M/ea? $1.44M lease per year based on normal 1% of value per month? $126.7M each year once at 88 airframes?
Doesn't seem like a whole lot considering the big right sizing you get. If that's right, just park 14-15 CRJ-200s a year and you have your 717s paid for.
Dang, where is George?
Because what was the estimate? $12M/ea? $1.44M lease per year based on normal 1% of value per month? $126.7M each year once at 88 airframes?
Doesn't seem like a whole lot considering the big right sizing you get. If that's right, just park 14-15 CRJ-200s a year and you have your 717s paid for.
Dang, where is George?
Oh I am sure he will come around these parts before the vote happens.
06-11-2012, 07:52 PM
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I can't remember, does vacation credit get factored into the LCW?
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06-11-2012, 08:01 PM
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06-11-2012, 08:06 PM
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Delta guys, a few questions if you don't mind.
1. How many days off minimum?
2. What are the junior bases?
3. What is the commuter policy?
1. How many days off minimum?
2. What are the junior bases?
3. What is the commuter policy?
06-11-2012, 08:13 PM
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