Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-09-2012, 08:28 AM
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Delta PWA 1986 - Unlimited 70 seat aircraft allowed
Delta PWA 1991 - No change to 70 seat aircraft of any type
Delta PWA 1996 - BAe-146 and Avro RJ-85 carved out, Sunshine B Scale designed, weight limits added for DCI freight aircraft
Delta PWA 2000 - Passenger DCI weight limits added, ratios, hub, block hours and more tied to resets no downside protection
LOA 46 Pre 1113 - Still no limits on 50 but adds up to 150 70 with mainline growth nothing tied to mainline shrinkage
LOA 51 1113 - unlimited 50 200 70 and 30 76 based on C2K metrics (Delta's court plan)
LOA - 19 DL + NWA = 255 70/76 unlimited 50 and all the props in the world
1. Delta pilots voted on all of these. No secret LOA.
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06-09-2012, 08:37 AM
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Delta PWA 1986 - Unlimited 70 seat aircraft allowed
Delta PWA 1991 - No change to 70 seat aircraft of any type
Delta PWA 1996 - BAe-146 and Avro RJ-85 carved out, Sunshine B Scale designed, weight limits added for DCI freight aircraft
Delta PWA 2000 - Passenger DCI weight limits added, ratios, hub, block hours and more tied to resets no downside protection
LOA 46 Pre 1113 - Still no limits on 50 but adds up to 150 70 with mainline growth nothing tied to mainline shrinkage
LOA 51 1113 - unlimited 50 200 70 and 30 76 based on C2K metrics (Delta's court plan)
LOA - 19 DL + NWA = 255 70/76 unlimited 50 and all the props in the world
1. Delta pilots voted on all of these. No secret LOA.
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Remarkably the lack of long term strategy continues today with this proposal allowing more large RJ's at a time when we have an opportunity to let RJ's die with the help of high oil prices.
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06-09-2012, 11:20 AM
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$1,290,000,000 is a bit of a stretch
We are not getting $430M a year at day 1,*Its going to be drawn out over 3.5 years
2012 4% day 1, end of 2012 we are at $40M but we already gave up higher crew utilization(paid for)
2013 8.5% of which we trade 2% profit sharing nets 6.5% equals net $210M(assuming straightline profit)
2014 $210M plus 1% or $20M (since 2% profit sharing is substituted for hard $$$) = $230M
2015 $210M + $40M= $250M
Grand total approx $730M
We need $80M to $100M a year just to keep up with inflation or $350M over 3.5 years so we are giving up(selling) more 76 seat SNB jets to the commuter, better reserve utilization (ALV+15) higher crew utilization (current ALV cap +2) for $730M which is a paltry $380M over our cost of living. Leaves a sour taste in my mouth, we are making our increases by working harder and relaxing scope.
Cost neutral means we pay for the raises not someone else."
$1,290,000,000 is a bit of a stretch
We are not getting $430M a year at day 1,*Its going to be drawn out over 3.5 years
2012 4% day 1, end of 2012 we are at $40M but we already gave up higher crew utilization(paid for)
2013 8.5% of which we trade 2% profit sharing nets 6.5% equals net $210M(assuming straightline profit)
2014 $210M plus 1% or $20M (since 2% profit sharing is substituted for hard $$$) = $230M
2015 $210M + $40M= $250M
Grand total approx $730M
We need $80M to $100M a year just to keep up with inflation or $350M over 3.5 years so we are giving up(selling) more 76 seat SNB jets to the commuter, better reserve utilization (ALV+15) higher crew utilization (current ALV cap +2) for $730M which is a paltry $380M over our cost of living. Leaves a sour taste in my mouth, we are making our increases by working harder and relaxing scope.
Cost neutral means we pay for the raises not someone else."
Your napkin math failed to include the 7.8% raise for all reserve pilots, the 2.4% raise for 2/3 of the 88 pilots, the increased DC, the increased staffing for the extra x days that reserves will get, the pilots over 20 who get an extra 30 hours Of sick each year, the improved disability plan, etc...
That will drive higher staffing and more upward movement.
You can't "napkin math" a 477 page document that has major gains hidden from wall street and the other employees groups all over the place.
06-10-2012, 05:54 AM
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Your napkin math failed to include the 7.8% raise for all reserve pilots, the 2.4% raise for 2/3 of the 88 pilots, the increased DC, the increased staffing for the extra x days that reserves will get, the pilots over 20 who get an extra 30 hours Of sick each year, the improved disability plan, etc...
That will drive higher staffing and more upward movement.
That will drive higher staffing and more upward movement.
06-10-2012, 01:38 PM
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Since the added X day won't occur in the peak summer months, and still puts us below SWA's X days every month anyway, it was a freebee. Lineholders flying a little more in the summer and RSV's flying a lot more in the summer are far more powerful drains on our staffing requirements than the extra X day in the slow months, especially when our vacation still sucks so severely.
06-10-2012, 03:25 PM
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I show from 2:20 PM yesterday till now(6:25pm) only three posts show. Is this correct or am I missing posts? Thanks
06-10-2012, 03:29 PM
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06-10-2012, 05:03 PM
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Resv ? Can they put you on SC at 830pm contact for a SC next day coming off X days? I thought you check your schedule at 1500 and you where fine with SC coming of X days if nothing is there.
06-10-2012, 05:10 PM
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Yes the 1500 look that is required is only for sc prior to 12pm.(technically ten am with two hrs for report) You go on lc at midnight thy can call you with only ten hrs of notice plus two for report for sc. 830 pm tomorrow night is legal. On top of that we gits lots o weather coming to ATL.
06-10-2012, 05:10 PM
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They could assign you short call starting no earlier than 10 am if it was not on your schedule priot to 1500. You do not have to acknowdlge tonight. They will just call you at midnight for the 10 am short call.
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