gloopy

So even an ultra cheap outsourcing shell game whipsaw provider can become too expensive compared to a legacy mainline when the equipment they operate becomes obsolete? Interesting...

APCLurker

I'm definitely not just focusing on this nitnoid regarding scope. As I specifically stated, this is yet another symptom of a larger problem. To me, it is all related.

For me it is also a credibility issue. We were told that scope was not for sale. Then they gave this away.


How about we allow zero of that size instead of allowing them a "cap." End the problem before it even has a chance to start. History proves how scope creeps. So yes, let's cap the number of planes of that size to -zero- (which would mean not allowing the concession in this ta) and let DBJ management deal with the problem and fix. Why should we "subsidize" their operation with a concession in our contract. That way, there is no concern of our charter flights ending up elsewhere.

And the issue isn't us bidding into a 135 lifestyle. It is the potential of our "lifestyle" of flying being transferred down the road into that 135 lifestyle.

Did anybody here that thought "it's only 50 seat flying" back in the day envision what DCI has become today, doing over 50% of our domestic flying?? Let's stop any scope give up, regardless of what it is, now, so that 10 years from now we're not saying: "I remember when we used to do xxx flights."

Elvis90

Talked with a retired Delta captain today. He asked me my opinion of the TA, and I gave it. I mentioned that I thought it would pass by a narrow margin, and I thought that T.O. was being passive and non-confrontational in his leadership. He stated that at an airline analyst's conference several years ago, it was publicly stated from the podium that the Delta pilot group is the most passive in the industry. I think that is what management expects. By the way, great to meet you today M! He is a frequent APC lurker. He recommended voting no and getting a better deal.

APCLurker

Yes, you are right. I was here/there. I believe we were doing charter flying at nw when I started, it went away, then came back.

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck or anything with you here but: I am missing the point as it relates to my post. I am sure it is due to my lacking.


Again on my point: right now DBJ only does 135 charter type stuff, but if we allow them larger jets, who knows what that could lead to down the road.
I see some of the charter flying that we do as a juicy potential for the "scope creep."

EDIT: anyway, we now have glue regarding this issue......

DogWhisperer

Ferd149

DW ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Out-freeking-standing!! <add additions faces here>

Your Uncle Ferd

Ferd149

All right boys, for the real disaster for tonight.

I'm off to the Mesa (AZ) Friday street fair to help Joe Momma and her friends set up their pottery booth. Then, I'll be the dunk guy in the little bar down the street hoping someone will come in and shoot me.

Ferd <-------pottery pimp

groundstop

Hopefully we have some north guys now who can balance that out.

TheManager

Too hot this evening to be anyone's pottery beotch.

Bill Lumberg

He recommended voting NO and getting a better deal.....in 2 1/2 years...

What's that Hall and Oats song? Oh yeah, "You're out of touch, and I'm out of time..."