Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-05-2012, 04:29 PM
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^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^
I've read the TA and current PWA several times. Every time someone brings up a negative scenario of what the company COULD do, they all seem to me to be intelligent possibilities and LIKELY to happen since they're allowed. And yet, I keep reading again and again by Bill Lumberg and (I'm surprised) Johnso that these are far-fetched, "unlikely", or a mis-reading. Sorry, I absolutely disagree, and I can read a contract equally as well as you if not better. Delta is LIKELY to take it right to whatever line is allowed, and LIKELY to maximize what they've already shown they want, 70+ seaters, and LIKELY to park the 50seat as they've already said they desire and have been doing. They are LIKELY to use the work-rule changes they've asked for, and the ALV increase, and the reserve +15. You don't bargain for something that's not valuable to you, and that is what they bargained for. Come on Bill and Johnso, stop being so blindly optimistic and looking through naively rose-colored glasses! Analyze the changes from a worst-case scenario, not some hopeful "I just can't imagine the company doing THAT" mentality.
Vote No. Don't give up work rules and scope that will never come back. Heck I probably have 3-4years flying left before I pull the plug, and I wouldn't vote yes for this TA even with 40% pay increase. Don't be the guys that dropped the baton...
I've read the TA and current PWA several times. Every time someone brings up a negative scenario of what the company COULD do, they all seem to me to be intelligent possibilities and LIKELY to happen since they're allowed. And yet, I keep reading again and again by Bill Lumberg and (I'm surprised) Johnso that these are far-fetched, "unlikely", or a mis-reading. Sorry, I absolutely disagree, and I can read a contract equally as well as you if not better. Delta is LIKELY to take it right to whatever line is allowed, and LIKELY to maximize what they've already shown they want, 70+ seaters, and LIKELY to park the 50seat as they've already said they desire and have been doing. They are LIKELY to use the work-rule changes they've asked for, and the ALV increase, and the reserve +15. You don't bargain for something that's not valuable to you, and that is what they bargained for. Come on Bill and Johnso, stop being so blindly optimistic and looking through naively rose-colored glasses! Analyze the changes from a worst-case scenario, not some hopeful "I just can't imagine the company doing THAT" mentality.
Vote No. Don't give up work rules and scope that will never come back. Heck I probably have 3-4years flying left before I pull the plug, and I wouldn't vote yes for this TA even with 40% pay increase. Don't be the guys that dropped the baton...
06-05-2012, 05:26 PM
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). Hey I just had an epiphany with that last thought!!
Now any no voters should vote yes 'cause ALPA will "shirley" give up the 70's in an LOA!!!!DennyCRANE!!!
06-05-2012, 05:31 PM
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Just ask yourself if you can live this agreement untill 2018. (three years after this amendable date)
06-05-2012, 05:55 PM
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If we take the current deal which gives up some vital leverage, the next round will be more difficult and potentially drawn out....so we best like the rules we are living under.
If an intelligent person really thinks about what is in the current proposal and what Delta has done these past five years, the contract currently on the table spells more stagnation.
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06-05-2012, 06:03 PM
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Frontier Airlines, which has been slashing service at General Mitchell International Airport , is offering select Wisconsin residents a one-time opportunity to convert accumulated frequent flier miles to Delta Air Lines’ rewards program.
“In recent months, Frontier has announced significant reductions to its Milwaukee flight schedule as part of a companywide effort to return to profitability,” a message posted on Frontier’s website states. “We realize that the reductions may inconvenience Frontier EarlyReturns members and make it difficult to earn and use the Frontier EarlyReturns miles they already have.”
Frontier is making the conversion offer as a “courtesy” to its frequent fliers who reside in Wisconsin, according to the statement.
Mile conversions will be done on an even basis. For example, 1,000 EarlyReturns miles will equal 1,000 Delta miles.
Frontier frequent fliers must register by Aug. 31 if interested in making the conversion. The offer is limited to program participants with valid Wisconsin addresses, the website states.
To participate in the offer, all EarlyReturns miles must be converted to Delta frequent flier miles.
In an email sent to members of Frontier’s EarlyReturns program, the airline noted that Delta is growing its presence in Milwaukee, and by July expects to have 31 nonstop flights each weekday from Milwaukee to Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul and New York City’s two major airports, John F. Kennedy International and LaGuardia.
Delta and Delta Connection carriers serve more than 340 destinations worldwide — offering travelers “nearly unlimited travel opportunities from Milwaukee,” the email states.
Frontier had operated a hub at Mitchell until beginning a series a drastic service cuts late last year. Additional cuts that went into effect at the beginning of June leave Frontier with just seven daily departures at Mitchell, compared with 86 last year.
Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings Inc. purchased Frontier and Midwest Airlines, which had been based in Oak Creek, in separate deals in 2009. Frontier eventually absorbed the Midwest brand and operations.
“In recent months, Frontier has announced significant reductions to its Milwaukee flight schedule as part of a companywide effort to return to profitability,” a message posted on Frontier’s website states. “We realize that the reductions may inconvenience Frontier EarlyReturns members and make it difficult to earn and use the Frontier EarlyReturns miles they already have.”
Frontier is making the conversion offer as a “courtesy” to its frequent fliers who reside in Wisconsin, according to the statement.
Mile conversions will be done on an even basis. For example, 1,000 EarlyReturns miles will equal 1,000 Delta miles.
Frontier frequent fliers must register by Aug. 31 if interested in making the conversion. The offer is limited to program participants with valid Wisconsin addresses, the website states.
To participate in the offer, all EarlyReturns miles must be converted to Delta frequent flier miles.
In an email sent to members of Frontier’s EarlyReturns program, the airline noted that Delta is growing its presence in Milwaukee, and by July expects to have 31 nonstop flights each weekday from Milwaukee to Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul and New York City’s two major airports, John F. Kennedy International and LaGuardia.
Delta and Delta Connection carriers serve more than 340 destinations worldwide — offering travelers “nearly unlimited travel opportunities from Milwaukee,” the email states.
Frontier had operated a hub at Mitchell until beginning a series a drastic service cuts late last year. Additional cuts that went into effect at the beginning of June leave Frontier with just seven daily departures at Mitchell, compared with 86 last year.
Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings Inc. purchased Frontier and Midwest Airlines, which had been based in Oak Creek, in separate deals in 2009. Frontier eventually absorbed the Midwest brand and operations.
Wait, what?
06-05-2012, 06:07 PM
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Frontier Airlines, which has been slashing service at General Mitchell International Airport , is offering select Wisconsin residents a one-time opportunity to convert accumulated frequent flier miles to Delta Air Lines’ rewards program.
“In recent months, Frontier has announced significant reductions to its Milwaukee flight schedule as part of a companywide effort to return to profitability,” a message posted on Frontier’s website states. “We realize that the reductions may inconvenience Frontier EarlyReturns members and make it difficult to earn and use the Frontier EarlyReturns miles they already have.”
Frontier is making the conversion offer as a “courtesy” to its frequent fliers who reside in Wisconsin, according to the statement.
Mile conversions will be done on an even basis. For example, 1,000 EarlyReturns miles will equal 1,000 Delta miles.
Frontier frequent fliers must register by Aug. 31 if interested in making the conversion. The offer is limited to program participants with valid Wisconsin addresses, the website states.
To participate in the offer, all EarlyReturns miles must be converted to Delta frequent flier miles.
In an email sent to members of Frontier’s EarlyReturns program, the airline noted that Delta is growing its presence in Milwaukee, and by July expects to have 31 nonstop flights each weekday from Milwaukee to Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul and New York City’s two major airports, John F. Kennedy International and LaGuardia.
Delta and Delta Connection carriers serve more than 340 destinations worldwide — offering travelers “nearly unlimited travel opportunities from Milwaukee,” the email states.
Frontier had operated a hub at Mitchell until beginning a series a drastic service cuts late last year. Additional cuts that went into effect at the beginning of June leave Frontier with just seven daily departures at Mitchell, compared with 86 last year.
Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings Inc. purchased Frontier and Midwest Airlines, which had been based in Oak Creek, in separate deals in 2009. Frontier eventually absorbed the Midwest brand and operations.
“In recent months, Frontier has announced significant reductions to its Milwaukee flight schedule as part of a companywide effort to return to profitability,” a message posted on Frontier’s website states. “We realize that the reductions may inconvenience Frontier EarlyReturns members and make it difficult to earn and use the Frontier EarlyReturns miles they already have.”
Frontier is making the conversion offer as a “courtesy” to its frequent fliers who reside in Wisconsin, according to the statement.
Mile conversions will be done on an even basis. For example, 1,000 EarlyReturns miles will equal 1,000 Delta miles.
Frontier frequent fliers must register by Aug. 31 if interested in making the conversion. The offer is limited to program participants with valid Wisconsin addresses, the website states.
To participate in the offer, all EarlyReturns miles must be converted to Delta frequent flier miles.
In an email sent to members of Frontier’s EarlyReturns program, the airline noted that Delta is growing its presence in Milwaukee, and by July expects to have 31 nonstop flights each weekday from Milwaukee to Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul and New York City’s two major airports, John F. Kennedy International and LaGuardia.
Delta and Delta Connection carriers serve more than 340 destinations worldwide — offering travelers “nearly unlimited travel opportunities from Milwaukee,” the email states.
Frontier had operated a hub at Mitchell until beginning a series a drastic service cuts late last year. Additional cuts that went into effect at the beginning of June leave Frontier with just seven daily departures at Mitchell, compared with 86 last year.
Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings Inc. purchased Frontier and Midwest Airlines, which had been based in Oak Creek, in separate deals in 2009. Frontier eventually absorbed the Midwest brand and operations.
06-05-2012, 06:09 PM
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Frontier Airlines, which has been slashing service at General Mitchell International Airport , is offering select Wisconsin residents a one-time opportunity to convert accumulated frequent flier miles to Delta Air Lines’ rewards program.
“In recent months, Frontier has announced significant reductions to its Milwaukee flight schedule as part of a companywide effort to return to profitability,” a message posted on Frontier’s website states. “We realize that the reductions may inconvenience Frontier EarlyReturns members and make it difficult to earn and use the Frontier EarlyReturns miles they already have.”
Frontier is making the conversion offer as a “courtesy” to its frequent fliers who reside in Wisconsin, according to the statement.
Mile conversions will be done on an even basis. For example, 1,000 EarlyReturns miles will equal 1,000 Delta miles.
Frontier frequent fliers must register by Aug. 31 if interested in making the conversion. The offer is limited to program participants with valid Wisconsin addresses, the website states.
To participate in the offer, all EarlyReturns miles must be converted to Delta frequent flier miles.
In an email sent to members of Frontier’s EarlyReturns program, the airline noted that Delta is growing its presence in Milwaukee, and by July expects to have 31 nonstop flights each weekday from Milwaukee to Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul and New York City’s two major airports, John F. Kennedy International and LaGuardia.
Delta and Delta Connection carriers serve more than 340 destinations worldwide — offering travelers “nearly unlimited travel opportunities from Milwaukee,” the email states.
Frontier had operated a hub at Mitchell until beginning a series a drastic service cuts late last year. Additional cuts that went into effect at the beginning of June leave Frontier with just seven daily departures at Mitchell, compared with 86 last year.
Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings Inc. purchased Frontier and Midwest Airlines, which had been based in Oak Creek, in separate deals in 2009. Frontier eventually absorbed the Midwest brand and operations.
“In recent months, Frontier has announced significant reductions to its Milwaukee flight schedule as part of a companywide effort to return to profitability,” a message posted on Frontier’s website states. “We realize that the reductions may inconvenience Frontier EarlyReturns members and make it difficult to earn and use the Frontier EarlyReturns miles they already have.”
Frontier is making the conversion offer as a “courtesy” to its frequent fliers who reside in Wisconsin, according to the statement.
Mile conversions will be done on an even basis. For example, 1,000 EarlyReturns miles will equal 1,000 Delta miles.
Frontier frequent fliers must register by Aug. 31 if interested in making the conversion. The offer is limited to program participants with valid Wisconsin addresses, the website states.
To participate in the offer, all EarlyReturns miles must be converted to Delta frequent flier miles.
In an email sent to members of Frontier’s EarlyReturns program, the airline noted that Delta is growing its presence in Milwaukee, and by July expects to have 31 nonstop flights each weekday from Milwaukee to Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul and New York City’s two major airports, John F. Kennedy International and LaGuardia.
Delta and Delta Connection carriers serve more than 340 destinations worldwide — offering travelers “nearly unlimited travel opportunities from Milwaukee,” the email states.
Frontier had operated a hub at Mitchell until beginning a series a drastic service cuts late last year. Additional cuts that went into effect at the beginning of June leave Frontier with just seven daily departures at Mitchell, compared with 86 last year.
Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings Inc. purchased Frontier and Midwest Airlines, which had been based in Oak Creek, in separate deals in 2009. Frontier eventually absorbed the Midwest brand and operations.
Still waiting for SD to clarify
06-05-2012, 06:10 PM
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06-05-2012, 06:11 PM
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06-05-2012, 06:14 PM
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I guess. I just wonder how this came about. Did we make a move to buy them out? Fine I suppose, I just get really nervous these days when we do anything hand in hand with that vile beast Republic especially after the trash they've been spewing about their C Series/Skyteam ambitions. They need to liquidate. Period.
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