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05-26-2012, 04:54 PM
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Why The Delay
Defined Contribution increased by 1% on 1/1/14
Results in 13% DC + 2% DPSP (401k) = 15% total
Let's not even discuss the 1% increase. But, why the delay. Why not on 1/1/13? Why not 7/1/12?
Why the delay? Why not at date of ratification. No good reason that I can understand.
Results in 13% DC + 2% DPSP (401k) = 15% total
Let's not even discuss the 1% increase. But, why the delay. Why not on 1/1/13? Why not 7/1/12?
Why the delay? Why not at date of ratification. No good reason that I can understand.
05-26-2012, 04:55 PM
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SLC briefing said the DPA question is an issue. NMB lady said if there is a representational issue on the property they will put us on ice until it's finished. Worst case we go to mediation and have a vote open at the same time. Some guy in the back of the lounge said we should vote it in, take the money and then vote for representation in time for the openers in early 2015 as it would take two years to sort that battle out assuming the same timeline as IFS. The Pit and The Pendulum...
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05-26-2012, 04:58 PM
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Not Really Correct
New sick leave system that increases yearly sick credit and deletes the 75% pay provision and the Sick Leave Monitoring Program --NNP
While there are some improvements the Sick Leave Monitoring Program has been replaced with new verification program.
While there are some improvements the Sick Leave Monitoring Program has been replaced with new verification program.
05-26-2012, 05:01 PM
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Disability benefits improved -- NNP
This correct. There are some improvements. But, if you suffer from a mental illness, you are still a second class citizen. Think about it, if you suffer early onset Alzheimer's you are SOL. It can't be diagnosed until after death. It manefests itself as mental illness.
We didn't take care of the weakest amongst us.
This correct. There are some improvements. But, if you suffer from a mental illness, you are still a second class citizen. Think about it, if you suffer early onset Alzheimer's you are SOL. It can't be diagnosed until after death. It manefests itself as mental illness.
We didn't take care of the weakest amongst us.
05-26-2012, 05:01 PM
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Nu had a great suggestion and Alpa can put a stop to all of this. Take it down eat some crow and fix it so that it passes and quickly. Alpa would be the winner for its pilots. DPA never becomes a serious threat or question.
The issues guys are bringing up are glaring and significant but easily fixable.
The issues guys are bringing up are glaring and significant but easily fixable.
Say you and I are taking off from Maui acl, and we lose tires at V1. I take it in the air and tell you I want to dump fuel and land back in Maui. You say, hey dumb a$$ - I mean Carl - why don't we dump fuel and go to Honolulu. If we land on Maui with these blown tires, we'll FOD the only runway they have here, where Honolulu has multiple runways and we won't close the airport. Which shows more strength by me as a captain:
1. "NO, I said Maui and I meant Maui." or
2. "Man I didn't think of that, you're right. Tell them we want to go to Honolulu."
This situation is NO different.
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05-26-2012, 05:05 PM
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Heyas ACL,
Thanks, but the egos involved probably make that improbable.
The parallels to this and CRM/TEM are striking. The psychology is unmistakable.
This could be DALPA's finest hour. Swallowing some pride, taking heed, going back in and doing some badly needed cleanup and addressing the issues.
It could be a home run. DPA would evaporate overnight, and all Delta pilots would be unified.
Instead, this will be most likely left to fester. God Forbid that this thing passes, and you will have a large segement of your pilot group eternally ****ed, and the DPA grows stronger, ensuring our pilot group will NOT be unified for the next storm.
Nu
Thanks, but the egos involved probably make that improbable.
The parallels to this and CRM/TEM are striking. The psychology is unmistakable.
This could be DALPA's finest hour. Swallowing some pride, taking heed, going back in and doing some badly needed cleanup and addressing the issues.
It could be a home run. DPA would evaporate overnight, and all Delta pilots would be unified.
Instead, this will be most likely left to fester. God Forbid that this thing passes, and you will have a large segement of your pilot group eternally ****ed, and the DPA grows stronger, ensuring our pilot group will NOT be unified for the next storm.
Nu
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05-26-2012, 05:06 PM
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05-26-2012, 05:07 PM
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Happy Retirement
While we wish everyone a long and prosperous retirement, did we have to give up any negotiating capital in order to achieve the following?
Early retirement program
– Targets maximum participation possible while maintaining operational reliability
– Up to $120,000 in Retiree Medical Account
– Up to 39 weeks of severance pay
Sounds great. I hope a lot of people can take advantage of the program. The Company will meter it's application. Thye won't offer it to everyone who appears eligible. It will be fleet specific.
The one thing we all share is the passage of time. Eventually every person who takes advantage of this program will be 65. There is no reason to give anything up for this inevitable event.
Early retirement program
– Targets maximum participation possible while maintaining operational reliability
– Up to $120,000 in Retiree Medical Account
– Up to 39 weeks of severance pay
Sounds great. I hope a lot of people can take advantage of the program. The Company will meter it's application. Thye won't offer it to everyone who appears eligible. It will be fleet specific.
The one thing we all share is the passage of time. Eventually every person who takes advantage of this program will be 65. There is no reason to give anything up for this inevitable event.
05-26-2012, 05:18 PM
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The Sick Leave Monitoring Program was started by the company to try to curb some of the rampant sick use that was going on. It apparently had the desired effect. I had one office guy tell me that they noticed a serous drop in sick calls the month after it went into effect. Guys hated being called by the CPO and it had the desired result of less sick calls. This IMO is not a good thing because it is a (albeit a mild one) form of intimidation to get pilots to not call in sick.
The new verification program, as you call it, allows the company to satisfy their desire to check on guys with "off-the-chart" sick usage. It will only apply to guys that exceed 100 hours of "unverified" sick usage during the year. If you are legitimately sick, then you have absolutely nothing to fear from this program.
If you get the flu and are out for (just for example) 40 hours you don't have to do anything. In this case you still have 60 "unverified" hours left for the year and go on your merry way. If you decide to go to the doctor because you need to, and get a note from the Doc, you can send it to the company and that sick call won't count against your 100 hours, ie you still have 100 "unverified" hours left for the year.
Let's say you get sick frequently but never need to go to the Doctor. When you go over 100 hours for the year, the CPO can call and ask for you to verify your illness. At this point THEY have to pay for you to go to the Doctor and get a note.
Bottom line, this is a non-issue unless you are abusing sick leave. And while I'm not advocating abusing it, the proposed system actually allows 100 hours of "pilot's discretion" sick leave during the year before you have to prove anything. It's an improvement over the current Monitoring Program without question.
Hope that helps.
05-26-2012, 05:28 PM
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Just to clarify your point here.
The Sick Leave Monitoring Program was started by the company to try to curb some of the rampant sick use that was going on. It apparently had the desired effect. I had one office guy tell me that they noticed a serous drop in sick calls the month after it went into effect. Guys hated being called by the CPO and it had the desired result of less sick calls. This IMO is not a good thing because it is a (albeit a mild one) form of intimidation to get pilots to not call in sick.
The new verification program, as you call it, allows the company to satisfy their desire to check on guys with "off-the-chart" sick usage. It will only apply to guys that exceed 100 hours of "unverified" sick usage during the year. If you are legitimately sick, then you have absolutely nothing to fear from this program.
If you get the flu and are out for (just for example) 40 hours you don't have to do anything. In this case you still have 60 "unverified" hours left for the year and go on your merry way. If you decide to go to the doctor because you need to, and get a note from the Doc, you can send it to the company and that sick call won't count against your 100 hours, ie you still have 100 "unverified" hours left for the year.
Let's say you get sick frequently but never need to go to the Doctor. When you go over 100 hours for the year, the CPO can call and ask for you to verify your illness. At this point THEY have to pay for you to go to the Doctor and get a note.
Bottom line, this is a non-issue unless you are abusing sick leave. And while I'm not advocating abusing it, the proposed system actually allows 100 hours of "pilot's discretion" sick leave during the year before you have to prove anything. It's an improvement over the current Monitoring Program without question.
Hope that helps.
The Sick Leave Monitoring Program was started by the company to try to curb some of the rampant sick use that was going on. It apparently had the desired effect. I had one office guy tell me that they noticed a serous drop in sick calls the month after it went into effect. Guys hated being called by the CPO and it had the desired result of less sick calls. This IMO is not a good thing because it is a (albeit a mild one) form of intimidation to get pilots to not call in sick.
The new verification program, as you call it, allows the company to satisfy their desire to check on guys with "off-the-chart" sick usage. It will only apply to guys that exceed 100 hours of "unverified" sick usage during the year. If you are legitimately sick, then you have absolutely nothing to fear from this program.
If you get the flu and are out for (just for example) 40 hours you don't have to do anything. In this case you still have 60 "unverified" hours left for the year and go on your merry way. If you decide to go to the doctor because you need to, and get a note from the Doc, you can send it to the company and that sick call won't count against your 100 hours, ie you still have 100 "unverified" hours left for the year.
Let's say you get sick frequently but never need to go to the Doctor. When you go over 100 hours for the year, the CPO can call and ask for you to verify your illness. At this point THEY have to pay for you to go to the Doctor and get a note.
Bottom line, this is a non-issue unless you are abusing sick leave. And while I'm not advocating abusing it, the proposed system actually allows 100 hours of "pilot's discretion" sick leave during the year before you have to prove anything. It's an improvement over the current Monitoring Program without question.
Hope that helps.
The NNP stated that the Monitoring Program had been eliminated. Not true, it has been replaced by a verification program.
The CPO can still call you before the 100 hours.
The CPO can still demand to know the nature of your illness. Forget any privacy. There is no privacy in the CPO. It's none of their business.
Don't you just love how DALPA gave away our right to privacy through contract?
There are certain DALPA adminstrators who have a hard on for sick leave abuse. The way they talk about it, you would think they work in the CPO. DALPA needs to quit giving away our right to privacy.
The new verification policy is entirely at the discretion of the CPO. There is nothing hard and fast about it's administration. These are just the sorts of loopholes that can be and have been abused by the Company.
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