Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-26-2012, 03:57 PM
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You reminded me. Did anyone find the commuting policy in the TA? Is it now contractual?
05-26-2012, 03:58 PM
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I'm sure they said that but not to be at the expense of work rule changes that cost them the ability to bid a vacated spot because it does not need to be filled.
05-26-2012, 04:00 PM
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Nu had a great suggestion and Alpa can put a stop to all of this. Take it down eat some crow and fix it so that it passes and quickly. Alpa would be the winner for its pilots. DPA never becomes a serious threat or question.
The issues guys are bringing up are glaring and significant but easily fixable.
The issues guys are bringing up are glaring and significant but easily fixable.
Heyas ACL,
Thanks, but the egos involved probably make that improbable.
The parallels to this and CRM/TEM are striking. The psychology is unmistakable.
This could be DALPA's finest hour. Swallowing some pride, taking heed, going back in and doing some badly needed cleanup and addressing the issues.
It could be a home run. DPA would evaporate overnight, and all Delta pilots would be unified.
Instead, this will be most likely left to fester. God Forbid that this thing passes, and you will have a large segement of your pilot group eternally ****ed, and the DPA grows stronger, ensuring our pilot group will NOT be unified for the next storm.
Nu
05-26-2012, 04:03 PM
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Nu had a great suggestion and Alpa can put a stop to all of this. Take it down eat some crow and fix it so that it passes and quickly. Alpa would be the winner for its pilots. DPA never becomes a serious threat or question.
The issues guys are bringing up are glaring and significant but easily fixable.
The issues guys are bringing up are glaring and significant but easily fixable.
05-26-2012, 04:11 PM
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Has anyone asked Alfa yet why he and his constructive engagement didn't find it appropriate to ensure that Delta Jets are flown by Delta pilots? He keeps hinging everything on the smoke and mirrors of compound interest and pay issues which are ok. They're a 50.01% pass. But yet no one can come clean and explain to me why the most qualified pilots in the Delta system were passed over for a fleet of 70 aircraft (because you know GD well the 717s are growth-neutral).
Explain. Someone. Please.
Explain. Someone. Please.
05-26-2012, 04:17 PM
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05-26-2012, 04:23 PM
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05-26-2012, 04:48 PM
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Per Diem
I know it's a small item buried in the TA, but details do matter. Most legacy fall in the 2.00 range. SWA was 2.15.
Proposed Per Diem: 2.10/2.20 dom 2.60/2.70 intl.
Current Per Diem at FDX
Per Diem :
$2.15/hr (dom)
$2.95/hr (int'l)
Current Per Diem at UPS
Per Diem :
$2.40/hr (dom)
$3.05/hr (int'l)*
$3.55/hr (Pac Rim)*
$4.05/hr (Europe)*
*revised each January using formula (figures shown for 2012)
These new per diem rates are less than we received in 2000. But, I can't find those exact numbers.
Last time I looked, the cost of living had increased around the world. This is an item that should have been addressed and a better result should have be achieved. I bet RA doesn't have to eat ramen noodles when he travels.
One of many shortfalls in the proposed TA
Proposed Per Diem: 2.10/2.20 dom 2.60/2.70 intl.
Current Per Diem at FDX
Per Diem :
$2.15/hr (dom)
$2.95/hr (int'l)
Current Per Diem at UPS
Per Diem :
$2.40/hr (dom)
$3.05/hr (int'l)*
$3.55/hr (Pac Rim)*
$4.05/hr (Europe)*
*revised each January using formula (figures shown for 2012)
These new per diem rates are less than we received in 2000. But, I can't find those exact numbers.
Last time I looked, the cost of living had increased around the world. This is an item that should have been addressed and a better result should have be achieved. I bet RA doesn't have to eat ramen noodles when he travels.
One of many shortfalls in the proposed TA
05-26-2012, 04:49 PM
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Seriously folks, ax yourself this question: If the company's intention was to give us a take it or leave it TA, then try to jam the bat up our a$$ by making each one worse if we say NO, why wouldn't they have waited to do that until 36 months from now? You'd get to show those idiot pilots who the real boss is, and save on any pay raises for 3 more years. Why would they do this?
The answer is so obvious. THEY can't wait 36 months. Now that we know from slowplay that the opportunity was for them to get out of our CURRENT contract so they can do something about the 50 seat RJ situation that is killilng them, who has the NEED to do this as quickly as possible? Thus who has the leverage?
Please read the DTW LEC Chariman's letter where he clearly states that the timelines and deadlines were clearly artificial and set by the company. It all adds up to NEEDS for the company and LEVERAGE for us. I absolutely promise that if you vote YES on this, you'll feel like a Bernie Madoff victim in short order.
Take it from an old fart, I've seen this movie before.
Carl
The answer is so obvious. THEY can't wait 36 months. Now that we know from slowplay that the opportunity was for them to get out of our CURRENT contract so they can do something about the 50 seat RJ situation that is killilng them, who has the NEED to do this as quickly as possible? Thus who has the leverage?
Please read the DTW LEC Chariman's letter where he clearly states that the timelines and deadlines were clearly artificial and set by the company. It all adds up to NEEDS for the company and LEVERAGE for us. I absolutely promise that if you vote YES on this, you'll feel like a Bernie Madoff victim in short order.
Take it from an old fart, I've seen this movie before.
Carl
05-26-2012, 04:52 PM
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The hard part is finding a path to vote no and then up with more scratch in your pocket. The negotiating committee worked their tails off and used an expanded team of professionals. They didn't just decide one day to quit negotiating and send out the results. This was a careful process that was carefully executed. If you vote no, then you better have a plan that gets us more money.
Really man, you're not seriously saying that the MEC has no plan in the event the members utilize their rights to vote this down, are you?
Carl
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