Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-26-2012, 10:52 AM
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05-26-2012, 10:53 AM
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Couldn't agree more with your second paragraph.
05-26-2012, 10:54 AM
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I realize you weren't around when AMR Eagle or Mesa (flying as USAirways Express) operated as DCI carriers, but here's some history. Both of those airlines were owned by companies that had other subsidiaries that operated non-permitted aircraft. None of those subsidiaries with non-permitted aircraft could carry Delta passengers, code or revenue. That's exactly the same with RAH and Frontier. No Delta passengers or revenue can fly on Frontier. As I pointed out in another thread, Delta used RAH operated DCI carriers to compete directly with Frontier. Bedford said his 50 seat DCI flying wasn't profitable, and DCI made Frontier less profitable. Sucks to be Bedford.
Now Bedford's in a circumstance where he can't dump Frontier and he has large debt payments due. What's his path out? What plans has Bedford successfully executed on since he started his branded strategy?
Why would Delta (a founding SkyTeam and its largest member) allow Bedford to take money out of Delta's pockets by flying SkyTeam member code under the SkyTeam banner on its RAH's own branded operation? There's no logic to that position as I see it. Bedford certainly can't fly Delta or Atlantaic JV code with his branded carrier certificate using other than permitted aicraft under our current arrangements.
What am I missing that is causing you concern?
Now Bedford's in a circumstance where he can't dump Frontier and he has large debt payments due. What's his path out? What plans has Bedford successfully executed on since he started his branded strategy?
Why would Delta (a founding SkyTeam and its largest member) allow Bedford to take money out of Delta's pockets by flying SkyTeam member code under the SkyTeam banner on its RAH's own branded operation? There's no logic to that position as I see it. Bedford certainly can't fly Delta or Atlantaic JV code with his branded carrier certificate using other than permitted aicraft under our current arrangements.
What am I missing that is causing you concern?
IMO, it furthers the whipsaw, but in the case of RAH, it affects regionals AND mainline equally.
How anyone can possibly defend the RAH carveout, especially a union official, is utterly mindboggling.
It's like saying noone can kick us in the nutz, except johnny.
With your statement (above), am I safe to assume that you favor the US gov't sending welfare payments to Mexicans (living in Mexico) who were once illegal aliens in the US?
05-26-2012, 10:56 AM
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05-26-2012, 10:58 AM
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05-26-2012, 11:00 AM
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Japan had just concluded a peaceful negotiation with the United States when they bombed Pearl Harbor.
You can choose to believe whatever you want, but you poison the (reasoning) pool if you put your hope and theory out there as fact.
This isn't an arguement between you and me and we can't solve it. If you choose to hope one way, that's fine. I choose to have a legally enforceable guarantee before I believe the pilots are staying at SWA.
You can choose to believe whatever you want, but you poison the (reasoning) pool if you put your hope and theory out there as fact.
This isn't an arguement between you and me and we can't solve it. If you choose to hope one way, that's fine. I choose to have a legally enforceable guarantee before I believe the pilots are staying at SWA.
05-26-2012, 11:01 AM
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Delta has other options. They are slower and have more risk. But Delta is doing a math problem. When the math doesn't work on this path, they move to another one.
When is the renegotiation guarantee redeemable? And I'm sure the renegotiated deal (including time value) will be far better in all respects than this one, right? You're going to put that in writing and have some personal accountability for that too...?
05-26-2012, 11:02 AM
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Nothing. Brian Bedford is planning on doing just that.
Even better, the TA gives Republic a specific exemption to perform large jet flying by exempting Chautaqua and Shuttle America (wholly owned subsidiaries of Republic) to be exempt from the improved holding company language:
Summary:
Cheers
George
Even better, the TA gives Republic a specific exemption to perform large jet flying by exempting Chautaqua and Shuttle America (wholly owned subsidiaries of Republic) to be exempt from the improved holding company language:
Summary:
- Our PWA has language to prohibit a DCI carrier to fly large jets.
- Republic aquires Frontier and operates A320s, orders the C-Series.
- Many Delta pilot call their reps and say it violates the PWA.
- The DALPA lawyer responds that the PWA language isn't enforceable as written.
- My rep promises to make sure the next contract is better.
- New language in TA prohibits operations like Republic from operating larger jets.
- Exemption added to TA specifically permits Republic (Chautaqua, Shuttle America) to operate large jets contrary to news language.
Cheers
George
Also using smart phones, ipads, laptops and home computers. The union (who very well may have been duped themselves with slick talking Mr. Campbell) can't say things without having it fact checked in almost real time. The phonies that continue to sell a leaky contract as it is being exposed to be should be ashamed of themselves.
05-26-2012, 11:03 AM
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05-26-2012, 11:03 AM
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I knew that would be your response. You're too predictable, scambo.
This too. When you want to have a serious discussion, let me know and I'll re-engage. Until then, I'll go back to lurking.
This too. When you want to have a serious discussion, let me know and I'll re-engage. Until then, I'll go back to lurking.
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