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05-26-2012, 09:49 AM
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05-26-2012, 09:51 AM
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05-26-2012, 09:51 AM
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True if all of the cost increases came to the pilots. They generally don't. Further we will on avg fly a ratio of 1.1.25 on these 717's to the 50 seater. There are cost savings to the company that cannot be transferred to pilots, like gates, fuel, landing fees etc..
05-26-2012, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by UVA Law School Grad
The fleet changes provided by this agreement, coupled with the productivity and profit sharing changes, cover the investments in our employees.
05-26-2012, 09:55 AM
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I simply want legally binding proof that pilots aren't coming with the planes. A memo from Steve Dickson isn't going to soothe my discomfort. A lot of AT CA's will be losing their CA seat due to this, and will take a considerable hit in income. You can bet they'll be fighting for their fragmentation clause. If they come with the planes, it's essentially a pointless move for Delta pilots.
05-26-2012, 09:57 AM
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You do not address the fact this hinges on Re - fleeting Delta Connection through a much larger investment in that product for a much more economically relevant jet.
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05-26-2012, 09:58 AM
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05-26-2012, 09:58 AM
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I get what you are saying, now. Good point. However, for the company to enter in an agreement with LUV and not have a solid plan (that does not include their pilots), would be really, really stupid. We'd have huge grounds for a big lawsuit. LUV (according the the AT FO we had on the JS yesterday) said that they are not furloughing and they will assimilate 717 pilot into LUV (I don't know if I'd trust LUV on that). Interesting point #29. Ultimately, I don't think it is an issue.
05-26-2012, 10:00 AM
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I get what you are saying, now. Good point. However, for the company to enter in an agreement with LUV and not have a solid plan (that does not include their pilots), would be really, really stupid. We'd have huge grounds for a big lawsuit. LUV (according the the AT FO we had on the JS yesterday) said that they are not furloughing and they will assimilate 717 pilot into LUV (I don't know if I'd trust LUV on that). Interesting point #29. Ultimately, I don't think it is an issue.
You haven't been keeping up. The airtran pilots arent assimilated until jan 2015. Today, they are still alpa represented.
IOW the Airtran pilots are NOT SWA pilots yet.
05-26-2012, 10:02 AM
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FlightOps RJ math for the TA:
DCI operates 598 regional jets.
Under the TA DCI would be capped at a total of 450 jets.
Overall reduction of 148 regional jets.
For reference: between 2010 and 2012 the Comair CRJ-200 fleet was reduced by 53 jets
Pinnacle has 142 CRJ-200 in it's fleet and is in BK. The bankruptcy process alone will probably significantly reduce that number should Pinnacle emerge. Pinnacle going TU could by itself potentially achieve the same reduction of the TA without increasing the number of 51+ seat jets.
There are natural forces at work that will achieve what the TA seeks to do anyways.
George
DCI operates 598 regional jets.
Under the TA DCI would be capped at a total of 450 jets.
Overall reduction of 148 regional jets.
For reference: between 2010 and 2012 the Comair CRJ-200 fleet was reduced by 53 jets
Pinnacle has 142 CRJ-200 in it's fleet and is in BK. The bankruptcy process alone will probably significantly reduce that number should Pinnacle emerge. Pinnacle going TU could by itself potentially achieve the same reduction of the TA without increasing the number of 51+ seat jets.
There are natural forces at work that will achieve what the TA seeks to do anyways.
George
As to PCL, you may want to reread the DIP financing documents from the bankruptcy court. They are rejecting a CPA for 16 CRJ-900's under the DCI banner and all their turboprop flying as unprofitable. They are affirming their 141 CRJ-200 contract as profitable.
If they (PCL) liquidate, Delta has the financial obligations for those 141 CRJ-200's, they don't just go away.
You are right, there is a natural attrition to CRJ-200's. Without contract renegotiations with the DCI carriers it lasts 5 years longer than contemplated in this TA. Management has alternatives to get to many of the 50 seaters, but it takes longer and is much more expensive. The excess DCI capacity (above the business plan) caused by too many 50 seaters is flying that would not return to mainline.
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