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05-25-2012, 07:10 PM
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05-25-2012, 07:12 PM
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05-25-2012, 07:15 PM
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05-25-2012, 07:23 PM
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05-25-2012, 07:31 PM
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05-25-2012, 07:42 PM
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Priceless !!!
I'm sorry, but as Captain of this airplane I can answer the checklist pretty damn well anyway I please! And if you don't like it, I'll have the A flight attendant come up here and kick your stupid Air Force Academy asz right off the airplane, and get me a down to earth excivilian kid from Continental Express that has never been upside down in his life, but can skill fly circles around your stupid asz. Now read the damn checklist please!
I'm sorry, but as Captain of this airplane I can answer the checklist pretty damn well anyway I please! And if you don't like it, I'll have the A flight attendant come up here and kick your stupid Air Force Academy asz right off the airplane, and get me a down to earth excivilian kid from Continental Express that has never been upside down in his life, but can skill fly circles around your stupid asz. Now read the damn checklist please!
05-25-2012, 07:49 PM
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And how many 51-76 seaters could we have under this TA again if its 51-76 seat language is triggered?
05-25-2012, 07:50 PM
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Internet chat room assurances are nice, but ....
We bought a bunch of PanAm airplanes and 700 pilots. Everyone was all ecstatic.
The next year those airplanes were gone and 700 Delta pilots were furloughed.
05-25-2012, 07:52 PM
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Obama's second term NMB
It's been said over and over that we have to just take what we can get now vice risk getting the NMB involved. Like many arguments used to sell a yes or no vote, the arguments used to induce fear in this respect leave out discussion of one extremely important variable.
Regarding the recent history of the NMB as briefed to ALPA:
The last nearly 12 years of airline bankruptcies, contract negotiations, and NMB involvement have been under a very labor hostile president and a first term Democrat who is not likely to risk the bad press of an airline in a cooling off period heading into a re-election campaign.
The recent history of NMB involvement with airlines of course is not rosy, but Obama's PBGC head and his actions with respect to the AMR bankruptcy demonstrate that the old saying regarding investments also applies to labor politics.
Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
Had the APA received a brief about the last decade of action (inaction) by the PBGC, that brief would have been overwhelmingly negative due to the unobstructed run on airline retirements that Bush allowed post 9-11. Yet they saw support from Obama's PBGC guy.
Yes, Linda Pachula gave a dreary powerpoint brief to our union. Of course it demonstrated some ugly historical facts and the limited time and resources of the NMB. What else could it contain? If Obama's policies to airline labor and management will be different in his second term, would she hint that all we had to do is hold out for his second term? Obama's potential second term approach to our situation is nothing that can be telegraphed to either side.
I have no crystal ball, but should Obama secure a second term, it will certainly have different implications for labor than Bush's presidency.
Just my opinion, but personally I would rather negotiate a little harder now and risk our negotiations extending into Obama's (likely) second term rather than sign a substandard contract that risks entering the mid phase of NMB involvement just as a (IMHO likely) Republican president comes into office.
Regarding the recent history of the NMB as briefed to ALPA:
The last nearly 12 years of airline bankruptcies, contract negotiations, and NMB involvement have been under a very labor hostile president and a first term Democrat who is not likely to risk the bad press of an airline in a cooling off period heading into a re-election campaign.
The recent history of NMB involvement with airlines of course is not rosy, but Obama's PBGC head and his actions with respect to the AMR bankruptcy demonstrate that the old saying regarding investments also applies to labor politics.
Past performance is no guarantee of future results.
Had the APA received a brief about the last decade of action (inaction) by the PBGC, that brief would have been overwhelmingly negative due to the unobstructed run on airline retirements that Bush allowed post 9-11. Yet they saw support from Obama's PBGC guy.
Yes, Linda Pachula gave a dreary powerpoint brief to our union. Of course it demonstrated some ugly historical facts and the limited time and resources of the NMB. What else could it contain? If Obama's policies to airline labor and management will be different in his second term, would she hint that all we had to do is hold out for his second term? Obama's potential second term approach to our situation is nothing that can be telegraphed to either side.
I have no crystal ball, but should Obama secure a second term, it will certainly have different implications for labor than Bush's presidency.
Just my opinion, but personally I would rather negotiate a little harder now and risk our negotiations extending into Obama's (likely) second term rather than sign a substandard contract that risks entering the mid phase of NMB involvement just as a (IMHO likely) Republican president comes into office.
05-25-2012, 07:54 PM
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"sale and/or assignment" would definitely include a sub-lease.
From Black's Law Dictinary:
assignment
noun. the act of transferring an interest in property or some right (such as contract benefits) to another.
I think this 717 transaction falls under the AirTran contract language.
We better demand a definitive answer from management on this question of pilots coming with the airplanes. The fact that they have been silent on that subject is very troubling.
Think about it - they would save a bunch of money on training if they brought the pilots over.
From Black's Law Dictinary:
assignment
noun. the act of transferring an interest in property or some right (such as contract benefits) to another.
I think this 717 transaction falls under the AirTran contract language.
We better demand a definitive answer from management on this question of pilots coming with the airplanes. The fact that they have been silent on that subject is very troubling.
Think about it - they would save a bunch of money on training if they brought the pilots over.
We need binding iron clad proof there will be no pilots with the planes. SWA saying their fleet size will be the same and they don't plan on furloughs is not good enough. Even if that's true, we could still have to take the pilots. 88 stagnation jets in exchange for more DC-9 sized 90 seaters at DCI becomes an even worse deal.
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