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Old 05-25-2012, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
"sale and/or assignment" would definitely include a sub-lease.

From Black's Law Dictinary:

assignment

noun. the act of transferring an interest in property or some right (such as contract benefits) to another.

I think this 717 transaction falls under the AirTran contract language.
We better demand a definitive answer from management on this question of pilots coming with the airplanes. The fact that they have been silent on that subject is very troubling.
Think about it - they would save a bunch of money on training if they brought the pilots over.
So why are even the AT pilots claiming they DON'T come with the airplanes?
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Originally Posted by vprMatrix
Interesting that RA says the 737-900s are growth aircraft a quick search regarding the 900s show that they are all slated to be replacement aircraft and would not trigger the 3 to 1 conversion language. Of course there is the problem of needing to park the CRJ-700s and E-170s in order to to do this which would appear at face value to be a poor financial move.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this.

how is it we cant park the 70 seaters under the TA but it's okay that they have to be parked under the current PWA?
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Old 05-25-2012, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So why are even the AT pilots claiming they DON'T come with the airplanes?
Because they don't want to come to an airline that is 100% focused on how to outsource as many pilots as possible.

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Originally Posted by johnso29
So why are even the AT pilots claiming they DON'T come with the airplanes?
Because Gary Kelly is being straight with them (as he was during the entire acquisition).
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Can someone pls answer, how many mainline jets are we down since the merger?
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
So do we have to do that math equation again? How many pilots would we hire if we take the 717s?

0?

Ive been hearing nobody can get a straight answer on the subject. Hopefully both the company and the union will post something on the matter before the vote given a seniority list integration and no definitive hiring will be a part of the 717 transaction.
My guess.

If this TA passes, the early retirements would offset the new efficiencies that they gain in the contract. So, we are where we are right now minus the fact that many of the guys slated to retire in the next 5 years just left on the early out.

So, not too many retirements for several years due to the early outs.

We are a bit fat right now (a SWAG).

The first 20 or so 717's would replace DC9's. That takes us until the 2014 deliveries. So, they will make sure all the furlough bypass and mil leave guys come back if they want to, and then hire. I think if this TA passes, we still won't see hiring (or flows) until late 2013 (or later).

Just my guess.
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:05 PM
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There are 720 mainline jets as of May 22 and 599 at DCI. We were at 767 at the merger so we are down 47 airframes.
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
Can someone pls answer, how many mainline jets are we down since the merger?
Well 767 is what we had. I believe we are at 709 now.
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
My guess.

If this TA passes, the early retirements would offset the new efficiencies that they gain in the contract. So, we are where we are right now minus the fact that many of the guys slated to retire in the next 5 years just left on the early out.

So, not too many retirements for several years due to the early outs.

We are a bit fat right now (a SWAG).

The first 20 or so 717's would replace DC9's. That takes us until the 2014 deliveries. So, they will make sure all the furlough bypass and mil leave guys come back if they want to, and then hire. I think if this TA passes, we still won't see hiring (or flows) until late 2013 (or later).

Just my guess.
Makes sense to me.

So to get all of that "growth" we just need to give up large rj scope and establish a temporary 3 year new max cap of 325.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Makes sense to me.

So to get all of that "growth" we just need to give up large rj scope and establish a temporary 3 year new max cap of 325.
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