KC10 FATboy

And another gone ...

Delta cutting flight between Phoenix, Cincinnati - Dayton Business Journal

flyallnite

Ahh, look again. The limit is not 7 days, it's just that the company will "not normally" call you for an absence of that duration, or require proof. Yes, they could call you, but they currently don't require a Doctor's note, although they do have the right to ask you for one.

Anything over 15 days will require a doctor's note, and if you exceed 100 hours of usage, then every sick call subsequent to that will require a docotors note.

Under the TA, you'll want to get that doctor's note to keep you under 100 hours, and since you'll be going on your own initiative, you'll be paying, not the company.

The CPO will now be able to deny you compensation for sick leave if you don't deliver or were unable to verify your illness.

tsquare

We'll get SOME of them. Probably not ALL of them, because with the retention of the RJs, it is logical that DAL wouldn't need all the 717s. Do away with a bunch of DCI lift, and the need becomes much greater. I am sure management can live with either decision. Bet ya a cold one that if we turn this down, that we don't take all 88 717s.

Maddoggin

Does this TA fix the reserves not crediting the same amount for the same trip flown by a lineholder. I've been looking for it but can't seem to find it.

flyallnite

I'd tend to agree with you on that, probably not all of them, at least not until they figured out plan B. And this management seems to ALWAYS have a plan B.

gloopy

Yeah really. Let's count the savings.

300 lost pilot jobs forever due to work rules/increased productivity.
An early out that gets rid of top scale pilots and replaces them with year ones.
Savings from smoothing out future training bubbles and less need to hire for that.
Massive savings on accelerated parking of money losing 50 seaters.
Increased revenue on new fleet of 70 extremely cost effective planes at DCI.
Savings of 1/3 pilot profit sharing up to the 2.5B profit level.
Subsidized A/C leases on an already cheap used airframe (717).

And (they would get this anyway, but it still counts against our 3% COLAs):
Likely full inflation rate revenue increases from increased ticket prices.

And possibly:
Less staffing from less sick calls due to intimidation.
New round of DCI cut throat predatory bargaining to get shiny new jets.

Add all that up and then subtract that from the "costing" of this TA and I have a feeling its very, very affordable.

forgot to bid

Another issue here, and call me cynical, but the block hour ratio seems like a pinky promise for now. Just like the 325 cap and the 255 "final last time this is all we need" cap before it.

Once they acquire the airplanes they can come back and seek relief on the block hour ratio not working and making those planes unprofitable. If we've got a hole in C2012, we might exchange block hour ratio to fix that other hole.

But if they never had the jets in the first place then they never had the jets.

johnso29

It says they normally will not ask for one UNLESS the sick call exceeds 7 days. There is nothing that says they CAN NOT or WON'T.

forgot to bid

Pass through question from my email, what will the consolidated fleet look like between now and 2015 if we say no to this TA?

Because they're in the crewroom saying DCI will decrease to 450... but would it decrease to anyways?

Rather B Fishin

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS. When in the last, oh lets just say since DEREGULATION, have we had to negotiate a concessionary contract?? (quite often unfortunately) The NEXT economic downturn the company WILL have the RJ's they need to provide lift and they'll have us giving up our "ratios". As Justin Wilson would say "I guaaaaaaaaraaaaanteee"