newKnow

I did not. Those road show presenters had better get ready for some remedial math questions. I've regressed 30 years in my understanding of basic math since trying to digest that stuff.

grasshopper

unfortunately I don't think it's quite that linear. I would expect the 88's to start trickling out and a few more md90's to trickle in. we'll get the 717's one way or another. the 757's will start departing along with some other older choice aircraft. mainline frequency will increase to cover and result in higher block hours...allowing DCI increases. I'm sure they are already built in. we would have new ALV metrics etc resulting in a lesser need to cover by hiring more bodies...despite what formulas are out there. I see the carrot but the other hand isn't "tied" behind the back...it's just behind the back. The scope sale won't ever come back and you can bet it will significantly reduce the impending hiring requirements. I can understand selling the scope but i think folks have a real impression that we are going to start hiring 1000 folks tomorrow and it will never stop. that would not be efficient and this managment team is efficient. For what we give up I bet we only get 1/3 at most in return. the difference is that what we give up won't come back and will trouble everyone's progression for the remainder of their career...for 12% in six months minus true progression potentia on the eve of a hiring boom and part of profit sharing. I can understand (although don't agree) with selling 76'ers but for this small amount? why? the current contract was good enough for the company not too long ago...i tend to agree with Carl. the need is that they want out from under the old contract. how much is it going to take to save all these DCI carriers? I'll bet it's significantly higher than what we are going to reap from the contract.

newKnow

So, now it will be normal for a 747-400 pilot to be required to come up with a doctors note on his second sick call of the year.

What do you think would happen if they came up with this policy under the current contract?

Plus, in light of that note, how can you say we get to define what is normal under this TA?

flyallnite

I am shocked by this statement. The whole problem is with "normally"? Really? So we've removed a provision that actually gives us some ammo if the CPO decides to harass us, and created a new one where we now MUST PROVE EVERY ILLNESS WITH A DOCTORS CERTIFICATE?

Thank goodness we've now required and codified that ALL pilots to prove they're sick, instead of only a handful. You're right! NOW we know what "NORMAL" is! And when you're on your way to the Doctor's office because you want to keep yourself under the magic 100 hours of unverified sick leave, because who knows, maybe you'll have a bad day at home or need some time to yourself because of issues in your life or maybe your kid will get you sick... and you are paying the Doc because the company didn't "require" that visit, then just keep telling yourself... "this is an improvement!"

KC10 FATboy

At least our stock is going up due to oil prices coming down.

Jesse

DAL is winning on all fronts.

Jack Bauer

Someone else who gets it. Thank you for adding some sanity to the lopsided "all will be well, hiring will be in full swing, we will be top of industry, myopic, no consequences for missing what could happen thinking.

orvil

How would the greivance we won years ago enter into the discussion. Wouldn't this be a change of customary practice?

My guess is the new contract language would override it.

LivingTheDream

First, why the fear of a normal section 6 negotiation? Isn't that what is normally done nearing an amendable date? We tried for an expedited process and it didn't work out...oh well.

Second, this is not that hard. We supposedly have a representational union. Did they represent your survey requests? They weren't even close on mine. Therefore, an easy no.

Finally, have we really given up on restoring the profession? With us entertaining the thought of $216/hr in 2015, vice the 2000 $267 (15 years later!), seems like we have thrown in the towel.

I say, let the real section 6 negotiations begin. After all, this is not an 1113/bk negotiation...right?

Good luck to us all.

Carl Spackler

That's my bet. When Richard starts touting this at investor conferences after the TA is signed, DALPA will be in a tough spot...but we'll be in a worse spot.

Carl