Yes, current 3 day trips with an allnighter attached at the end will be worth 13:30 instead of 11 hours. That is an improvement for many 737 and 767 pilots.

I don't think you get it. Sure, if the rotations are the same as they are now, what you state would be true.

But the rotations will not look like they do now.

05-23-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by newKnow

alfa,

Thanks for responding. You are going to have to forgive me though. It's probably going to take me all afternoon to 1.) figure out the formulas, and 2.) figure out what you are trying to say.

Did humans negotiate this TA?

Most staffing formulas at most airlines mean nothing. At Delta, we wanted a real backstop that provided real protections. An airline is a complicated system so, yes, the formula is complicated. The last time Delta went below the staffing formula, each pilot got a $1,000 check as a settlement and they had to hire to fill in the requirements. That was in 2007.

05-23-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

FtB did not post

Thats impossible. That sob always posts. It's annoying.

Oh wait...

05-23-2012, 09:07 AM

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05-23-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TOGA LK

I say call Anderson's bluff, this isn't his best offer. He will either have the pilots onboard going forward or not. Delta can operate two certificates for a decade I guess. This TA is being expedited because he wants the 717's to appear to be tied to a TA ratification, he already purchased CRJ-900 positions last year, 50-seaters need heavy checks or replacement and under our current scope/work rules we will have to hire sooner than later.

Heyas TOGA,

Of course it wasn't his best offer. There was money left for all of the other Delta employees to get a raise based on our efforts.

I mean, duh.

Nu

05-23-2012, 09:13 AM

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Here's a good ?. A competitor in bankrurptcy is announcing delivery and schedules for B777-300's and we are leasing B717's?

05-23-2012, 09:19 AM

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sorry for delay acl, my old iphone now about to be turned frisbee is in suck mode thanks to att unlimited data cap.

05-23-2012, 09:20 AM

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There are now at least 15 threads about DAL, DAL TA, etc. Enough is Enough!

05-23-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by More Bacon

I don't think you get it. Sure, if the rotations are the same as they are now, what you state would be true.

But the rotations will not look like they do now.

I'm not seeing the downside here. We don't like 3 day 11hour trips. You say the trips will not look like this......What's bad about that!?! What will they look like?

Denny