Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-23-2012, 06:31 AM
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I found something that gives at least 1 full hour of joy for two kiddos... valpak coupons. They had a ball crumbling those things up, rolling in them, swimming in them, etc. I sat their in tears thinking of how many of those things I've discarded.
05-23-2012, 06:34 AM
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05-23-2012, 06:40 AM
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05-23-2012, 06:42 AM
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The changes to reserve were part of a package, and that package has some job protections in it. First is the ALV. Once you've reached it you can't be assigned more flying. If you're under it you can be assigned ALV +15. But that is limited by the staffing formula, as it requires jobs to be added when reserves are used more than 60 hours per month on average. Another protection is the 6 additional scheduled X days per year, increasing to up to 18 additional for categories staffed at over 20%.
Bottom line, with the additional time off and the staffing formula as a backdrop, there's no way to run reserves at ALV + 15 for any length of time.
Bottom line, with the additional time off and the staffing formula as a backdrop, there's no way to run reserves at ALV + 15 for any length of time.
Why not eliminate the need for such "protections" by not agreeing to ALV+15 in the first place?
When you give the company an inch, they will sometimes take a mile, and the response from them will be "grieve it." After years of work, there may be a resolution. Or, as recent history has shown, dalpa may choose not to pursue it because "we might have lost."
Stop counting on loophole-filled "protections" and empty "based on 60 hour per month average" promises.
there's no way to run reserves at ALV + 15 for any length of time
05-23-2012, 06:47 AM
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What's wrong with taking more time to get this right? 
I don't buy things just because someone tells me it's on sale and it's the last one so act now. Even if it was the case I'd rather walk than make the more than likely "time value" mistake.
And frankly, I'm stuck on scope. If I had to chose between the two I'd rather have our current PWA scope.
I don't buy things just because someone tells me it's on sale and it's the last one so act now. Even if it was the case I'd rather walk than make the more than likely "time value" mistake.
And frankly, I'm stuck on scope. If I had to chose between the two I'd rather have our current PWA scope.
EXACTLY.
We have been looking for a camper lately. If I had some money for every time I heard "the sale ends tomorrow" or "we have been selling these like hotcakes" or "we are sooo busy lately, we can't keep units on the lot" or any other sales tactic catch-phrase I would be able to pay for half the camper by now.
05-23-2012, 06:49 AM
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BTW: For those of you concerned about the non-contract raises, I wouldn't be too concerned. I don't know what the Mechs got, but an FA with 12 years got a $1.52 raise. "I guess that swimming pool will just have to wait a little bit longer Honey." Jelly of the month club, here we come.
05-23-2012, 06:50 AM
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Has anyone asked Alfa yet why he and his constructive engagement didn't find it appropriate to ensure that Delta Jets are flown by Delta pilots? He keeps hinging everything on the smoke and mirrors of compound interest and pay issues which are ok. They're a 50.01% pass. But yet no one can come clean and explain to me why the most qualified pilots in the Delta system were passed over for a fleet of 70 aircraft (because you know GD well the 717s are growth-neutral).
Explain. Someone. Please.
Explain. Someone. Please.
05-23-2012, 06:54 AM
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05-23-2012, 06:57 AM
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The 76 vs 70 seat size is huge because what is actually out there is the 65 seat CRJ 700, which seats 65, the ERJ 170 which seats 69, the CRJ 900 which seats 76 and the ERJ 175 which also seats 76. The addition of more first class and coach seats make the larger 76 seat jet an order of magnitude more efficient than the so called 70 seat jet, neither of which actually seat 70 passengers. This product is a job killer for us and DL knows it. The 50 AND the 70 seat RJ's are inefficient, and the company wants to dump them. This is really the only chance we have of restructuring domestic feed in the long run. If we allow the company to outsource flying by giving them an efficient platform to do so, we have only ourselves to blame.
On a CASM basis the airlines report the Next Gen 900 is less expensive than a B717 (using AirTran's pay rates). At Delta the delta might be larger due to our better pay. Alpha and Slow have not come after me yet on this point, but I am told they disagree based on numbers from Delta management & I will admit that gleaning real data from the DOT numbers is difficult because of the complexity of the capacity purchase agreements.
My educated guess (confirmed by TA results) is that management wants the Next Gen -900 more than they want the 717.
While I think I am coming to the decision to vote "YES," there is no real fear that the 717 (or something else) hangs in the balance.
I also have not detected a FUD campaign from our MEC. My Reps have been candid in our discussions.
05-23-2012, 07:00 AM
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And this talk of reserve averages is completely off target also-- reserves manning is NOT ABOUT averages! Reserve manning is about WORST CASE, thus the word "Reserve". Summer flying peak is the worst case, and if you can use guys up to ALV+15 (maybe 100 hours!) in your limiting factor worst case, instead of 68 hours, you just gained 50% utilization of your reserves! Of course you won't "average" that high year round, the driving peak is only during the summer. Make no mistake--ALV+15 utilization will allow company to cover 50% more flying with it's reserves when the summer chips are down. 6800 block hours of reserve in Aug used to take 100 pilots sitting reserve to cover at least... Now that can be covered with 68! That's 68% of current pilots. And it ONLY MATTERS during those summer months, 68 pilots will still be "fat" during the rest of the year
The company will get the reduced staffing they want due to the "averages" throughout the year (think slower winter months) diluting out the summer increase, and we'll get less pilots needed.
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