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05-22-2012, 08:57 AM
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Are we negotiating for the entire company again with regards to the profit sharing? Is every other labor group going to lose out on 5% of the profit sharing plan or just the pilots? So much for "Winning Together".
05-22-2012, 08:57 AM
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That isn't all they like to keep secret. As sailing has pointed out there is another shoe to drop probably an aircraft order. The reps know about it but won't tell us but presumably it makes this TA good. It sure doesn't stand on its own.
It does seem like they love to have the info and not share it at least with us, but other competing company CEOs are included. Maybe we need some wikileaks help.
It does seem like they love to have the info and not share it at least with us, but other competing company CEOs are included. Maybe we need some wikileaks help.
The snapshot of block hour ratios doesn't happen for a couple years. And in the end management can still trump all else with a get out of jail free card paraphrased from the proposed contract: "if oil goes up or any other thing out of our control....which legally we can make the case for pretty much anything under the sun, moon and stars....we can outsource even more RJ's and other planes we think up later".
Regardless of what PG, SF, Slow, etc tell you this contract is like swiss cheese and is spitting in the face of every single one of you as Delta pilots. You would have to be a freaking moron to accept this as is. Yet it will be sold/spun as a victory.
Down the road when the loopholes are fully exploited ALPA will take no responsibility (they never do). They will simply say...."you the pilot group voted yes, deal with it....and reserve/commuting is a choice". WAKE UP pilots! Dont keep making the same mistake. Take ownership of your future and your union.
Yes PG, Slow, etc hate the DPA, they want to maintain status quo and their FPL and nice lifestyle. Vote them off the freaking island. We can make the DPA a bottom up organization that borrows from the best of all pilots unions. Some said those who left Great Britain and who fought for independance in America were crazy too....for a while. In the end it was the only way to achieve the best life had to offer. It is time to get the ALPA monkeys off our backs and break free. ALPA secrecy, manipulation and self serving has gone on long enough!
05-22-2012, 08:59 AM
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Well, I was patient enough to wait for the TA to be released and actually read it before I decided. Honestly, there are some good things but I just can't get past section 1. There's no way anyone can convince me 70 more large RJs are a good thing for this pilot group. I hate to become a one issue voter but I can't believe this was agreed to. We allowed 153 76 seaters with a gun to our head in BK. Now we're going to allow 70 more when Delta is making money. Quite frankly, they can keep the 50 seaters and fly them at a loss for all I care. This is crazy.
05-22-2012, 09:06 AM
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when can we vote again?
05-22-2012, 09:11 AM
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I just want to make sure everyone is clear here, this is NOT an increase for SLI's. Currently the guarantee is 75 hours however it is company policy that every SLI WILL be scheduled to 17 events which equates to 85 hrs. On the very few/seldom times that an event is canceled and the instructor is not able to get back to 17 events, then they will get the 85 hours, however, my guess is that happens less than 1% of the time. It is not a gain for the SLI's.
05-22-2012, 09:19 AM
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05-22-2012, 09:39 AM
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But the problem with the carrot is everyone looks around and says won't the 717s come anyways? And if not, are we better off? A giant order of 76 seaters sure makes you scratch your head wondering if we're supposed to say yes to 76 seaters that replace mainline jets and 717s that just replacement jets. Is it best just to say no and stick to 255 and the current fleet?
Sailing, is there a wb order on the way? That's been rumored before too.
05-22-2012, 09:42 AM
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It's almost comical the way this is unrolling. Bar called it, 717s if you sign off on bigger lower casm 76 seaters.
But the problem with the carrot is everyone looks around and says won't the 717s come anyways? And if not, are we better off? A giant order of 76 seaters sure makes you scratch your head wondering if we're supposed to say yes to 76 seaters that replace mainline jets and 717s that just replacement jets. Is it best just to say no and stick to 255 and the current fleet?
Sailing, is there a wb order on the way? That's been rumored before too.
But the problem with the carrot is everyone looks around and says won't the 717s come anyways? And if not, are we better off? A giant order of 76 seaters sure makes you scratch your head wondering if we're supposed to say yes to 76 seaters that replace mainline jets and 717s that just replacement jets. Is it best just to say no and stick to 255 and the current fleet?
Sailing, is there a wb order on the way? That's been rumored before too.
Also, this guy will be visiting frequently over the coming weeks:
05-22-2012, 09:42 AM
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05-22-2012, 09:48 AM
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It's almost comical the way this is unrolling. Bar called it, 717s if you sign off on bigger lower casm 76 seaters.
But the problem with the carrot is everyone looks around and says won't the 717s come anyways? And if not, are we better off? A giant order of 76 seaters sure makes you scratch your head wondering if we're supposed to say yes to 76 seaters that replace mainline jets and 717s that just replacement jets. Is it best just to say no and stick to 255 and the current fleet?
Sailing, is there a wb order on the way? That's been rumored before too.
But the problem with the carrot is everyone looks around and says won't the 717s come anyways? And if not, are we better off? A giant order of 76 seaters sure makes you scratch your head wondering if we're supposed to say yes to 76 seaters that replace mainline jets and 717s that just replacement jets. Is it best just to say no and stick to 255 and the current fleet?
Sailing, is there a wb order on the way? That's been rumored before too.
Big widebody order to be announced. We are going to get some 787's. Delivery in 2020 - 2022.
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