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Old 05-22-2012, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
It is ALPA DCI only.
Im not sure why they wasted time on that one, as an ALPA DCIer myself who has been trying to get on forever, 35% is only 17 out of 50 in a class. When you factor in all involved, its not too many per regional per class. I would be willing to bet that the ratio has been higher in the past without this. Seems like a waste of time.

On the 50 seat thing, I think it is GREAT that they will reduce them to 125 I know it comes at a cost of more 76 seat aircraft but the 50 seat jet is so terrible.
(disclaimer, no i do not want to fly more 76 seat aircraft at pinnacle, I simply want less regional aircraft overall)

Having said that I have no dog in this fight but good luck either way.
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Old 05-22-2012, 02:36 AM
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Old 05-22-2012, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Go DPA! I've got my new bag tag, bling, and sticker already:

Contract 2022, no info, no vote, no accountability, and no viable alternate plan
Thumbing your nose towards an opposing representational opinion/direction from your fellow Delta pilot brothers & sisters will only alienate them farther.

Just a friendly tip...
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Old 05-22-2012, 02:58 AM
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So let's help them out of the 70 seat flying and make THOSE our jobs too... as well as the 200 seat flying.. and the 250 seat flying.. and the 400 seat flying.....

It is a logical arguement T.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Bombardier is more than willing to eat 50-seater contracts if new 76-seaters are ordered. The sticking point is our contract permitting only 153 76-seat RJs.

Certainly that was worth money for the company to eliminate a loss-leading fleet and replace it with a newer more cost effective fleet.

Somehow our NC was unable to monetize the financial benefit to the company in a way that adds to a contract that was promised as "leading the industry." Because well before the RJ deal that was what TO promised to deliver to the Delta pilots.

The early opener, quick contract and scope relief should have returned some value on top of an industry-leading contract. The TA presented doesn't reflect the added value of industry-leading plus.

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And this is why the TA should never have left the MEC.

But since it did, it should get voted down and the DPA will be given another chance.

If there has ever been a more EPIC FAILURE by Dalpa, I am not aware of it. Walking away from the table is an option.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 1234
I am not so sure that this is a great deal. Actually it may just be neutral. With this, we can still have 13:30 hr three day trips which I guess is better than a 10:30 three day.
You think? In my category, at my seniority and below, that would actually make a difference.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Anybody know what Alaska's scope says about airplanes with <70 seats? It appears that our allowance is now tied to THAT agreement. Scope, paragraph 12 under Section B operations. (definitions)

Excellent point T

That is another open ended end around...AK scope is weak.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
I think you are reading that wrong. All of the ratios/airplanes/etc in Section 1 are tied to Category A (us) and Category C (DCI). Category B (Alaska outsourcing) is NOT included in any calculations. I think that means we are UNTIED to Alaska outsourcing. They can do as much of it as they want and, if I read between the lines correctly, we can use it as much as we want, also.

I disagree, we are tied to Alaska's section 1 in this agreement and have to honor their's even though we have no control.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:49 AM
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The ironic thing about the fill 35% a new hire class with airmen from a DALPA DCI carrier... wait til GoJet has a ALPA drive.

Would ALPA say no after saying yes to Continental?
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