You can also simply look at how many pilots SWA has and how many Delta uses on domestic narrow bodies. I saw the numbers a few years ago. If I recall Delta was using about 13 pilots per airframe. SW around 11.

05-21-2012, 05:41 AM

#100052

1234

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

From this week's HotFlashTwo points:

(1) Told you so.
(2) We can vote for 90 or 100 seat flying to be outsourced, just can not do it.

Bar,

Your article says it will be mainline flying he aircraft. Isn't that what we want so why a war against the TA?

05-21-2012, 05:42 AM

#100053

FlyZ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

From this week's HotFlashTwo points:

(1) Told you so.
(2) We can vote for 90 or 100 seat flying to be outsourced, just can not do it.

Bar,
Unless I'm reading this wrong, isn't Boyd saying that E190 and maybe CR9 will be flown at MAINLINE under this TA?

05-21-2012, 05:42 AM

#100054

shiznit

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Position: right for a long, long time

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

From this week's HotFlashTwo points:

(1) Told you so.
(2) We can vote for 90 or 100 seat flying to be outsourced, just can not do it.

Ha! We've had CRJ-900 and E-190 rates in our contract for years already....

So when does Mr. Boyd see the manufacturers hanging GTF's on the CRJ-200's or a -200 like platform?

That will make our scope problem balloon yet again.....

05-21-2012, 05:46 AM

#100055

sailingfun

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scambo1

Sailing;

How many times does that have to be refuted before you give up on it?

And yet another totally different source. Where is your data???

Airline comparison charts

See chart 43!

05-21-2012, 05:49 AM

#100056

scambo1

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Posts: 7,775

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiznit

How many times are others going to spout off without providing ANY reference or evidence?

If anyone can provide evidence to back up their SWA block per pilot per year math I'd love to see it.

How about using 2011 numbers?

05-21-2012, 05:49 AM

#100057

Bucking Bar

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Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyZ

Bar,
Unless I'm reading this wrong, isn't Boyd saying that E190 and maybe CR9 will be flown at MAINLINE under this TA?

Perhaps I selected the wrong place to cut and paste. Here is a link to the entire article:

Aviation Data And Insights From Boyd Group International

ALPA is keeping this information from its pilots, but third party management consultants for regional airlines already have their copy.

Last edited by Bucking Bar; 05-21-2012 at 06:03 AM.

05-21-2012, 05:51 AM

#100058

scambo1

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Posts: 7,775

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Sailing, that would be a fair comparison, if true, and lends credence to the inefficiency due to training churn arguement.

05-21-2012, 05:54 AM

#100059

tsquare

No longer cares

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Position: 767er Captain

Posts: 12,109

Quote:

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude

I think the only large productivity advantage SWA has anymore is the near-total lack of training churn.

Which will continue for a few years...

05-21-2012, 06:00 AM

#100060

nwaf16dude

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Perhaps I selected the wrong place to cut and paste. Here is a link to the entire article:

Aviation Data And Insights From Boyd Group International

Still, I'm angry that ALPA is keeping this information from its pilots, but third party management consultants for regional airlines already have their copy.

I think Boyd bit on FTBs spoofer pay chart