Originally Posted by ancman

SC is popular among those who live in base there because they do less flying than LC reserves (and receive slightly more pay). Obviously that doesn’t directly translate to our system as 12-hour vs. 18-hour callout skews usage. LC to SC conversion is possible at AA under limited conditions, but is very rare compared to ours.

A good starting point for us would be establishing 1 hour pay above guarantee for every SC, whether used or not. IMHO, we should at least be able to pre-bid all 6 of our monthly maximum SCs.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying

SC lines may be popular among some locals in some bases at AA, but all the AA pilots in my crash pad were the ones who were too junior to hold LC or a line.

i could agree to a voluntary option for SC only lines that pays significantly more than our LC, but I do not think involuntary SC only lines are an improvement, in fact I think that is a significant concession. And I think 3 hours extra is woefully inadequate.

Originally Posted by JTwift

im talking about UAL. There was some discussion on the difference in reserve rules. I’m just providing context.

Originally Posted by brakechatter

I will throw your post right back at you and ask if you even read anything I wrote, because you misquoted. Here is the post again:




I really have no obligation to clarify myself to your odd claims and non-sequiturs. I will repeat that I am well versed both professionally and personally in AA's system, that your fellow pilots were collectively not interested in AA's system (if you look at the quote above and actually read it, you will see the word 'disagreed', and that my personal observations of pilot feedback to C2019 are that the reserve system is much improved and many commuters routinely bid as such. The main question I get involves positive space. When drilling down further, it seems the largest beef is not the positive space itself but the backup requirement -- as the company is willing to positive space you to work a large majority of the time when your primary fails. But I digress in that it is just an unscientific personal observation of conversations on the flight deck, layover get togethers, and crew room conversations.

My opinion and observations are different from yours, and the best you can come with is that I am a council 44 rep, then you weakly try to back off a bit by distilling it down to an unknown council, but definitely a rep - as if that somehow makes my observations and opinions invalid.

I mean, you say that you have friends at American, and I am suspsect that you have friends at all, let alone at American. But I don't use that suspicion to try and further my argument.

I do have a suggestion. If you feel very strongly about it, get your rep (it won't be me no matter the base to which you are affiliated) to help you write a resolution to explore it as part of the next contract negotiations. Anonymous web boards, while great for lobbing spears, accomplish little in the real world.

Every airline has a culture, and every airline has reserve in some way, shape or form. My personal opinion is that great strides were made in scheduling, including reserve, in C2019 to accommodate all pilots, but with commuters specifically in mind. Further improvements will be accomplished in the next contract via the collective feedback of our pilot group, and hopefully won't be offset by inevitable wish list of the company -- which is where the real key lies in negotiations.

I'll say it again: if you want to continue receiving full pay, eventually you will have to step foot on the property - even as a commuting pilot.

Originally Posted by ancman

It’s bizarre that you’re so defensive of your unsubstantiated claims that you’re willing to resort to personal attacks rather than attempt to support them.

You demonstrate the very arrogance and immaturity that has many calling for change across the MEC. I’m relieved that you’re no longer a rep.

And what’s with doubling down on the odd statement about setting foot on property? Most pilots here fly plenty. Forgive us for discussing ideas for improving our work rules and QOL.

Originally Posted by Xray678

discussing ideas about improving work rules is fine. But be honest in what you want...work rules that make it impossible to assign a trip to a reserve. Frankly the reserve rules have already gotten out of hand. As someone said earlier....you will have to go to work at some point.

Originally Posted by Xray678

discussing ideas about improving work rules is fine. But be honest in what you want...work rules that make it impossible to assign a trip to a reserve. Frankly the reserve rules have already gotten out of hand. As someone said earlier....you will have to go to work at some point.

Originally Posted by Xray678

discussing ideas about improving work rules is fine. But be honest in what you want...work rules that make it impossible to assign a trip to a reserve. Frankly the reserve rules have already gotten out of hand. As someone said earlier....you will have to go to work at some point.

Originally Posted by ancman

SC is popular among those who live in base there because they do less flying than LC reserves (and receive slightly more pay). Obviously that doesn’t directly translate to our system as 12-hour vs. 18-hour callout skews usage. LC to SC conversion is possible at AA under limited conditions, but is very rare compared to ours.

A good starting point for us would be establishing 1 hour pay above guarantee for every SC, whether used or not. IMHO, we should at least be able to pre-bid all 6 of our monthly maximum SCs.

Originally Posted by crewdawg

…I'm 100% with you that every SC should pay above guarantee. What we really need to work on with reserve is pay protections. How many reserve pilots passed on GS during the meltdown because they feared it would get nooped and they'd get nothing (err...2 whole hours of pay and some time off).