Commuters & LCR
08-18-2024, 10:16 AM
#181
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
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I'm a professional pilot and this is not a charity. I fully expect to show up to work every single day and get paid, period. I'm also not picking up stuff for free so DCA Joe can stay the night at home and get paid for the leg I fly. It's attitudes like these that made our contract full of gaping holes.
08-18-2024, 10:25 AM
#182
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 930
Thats exactly what would happen. We once had the ability on the shuttle to have any deadheading or commuting pilot replace you on your last leg back to LGA. This was enormously useful as there was almost always someone available and could get you home when a commute from LGA would not be possible later. Then a brilliant pilot replaced someone and demanded the 5 hour daily minimum pay. The policy died almost immediately. There were hopes to extend it system wide.
Regardless, ADG has always been a poor excuse for not allowing jetway trades. There are numerous pay/credit solutions that are fair for all involved - none of which involve a pilot flying for free. It will be interesting to see what the JWT working group comes up with.
08-18-2024, 10:35 AM
#183
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,523
With all due respect, you’re management’s dream candidate for the ALPA side of the negotiating table. You would’ve turned down average daily guarantee just to preserve a pilot’s ability to work a leg for free?
Regardless, ADG has always been a poor excuse for not allowing jetway trades. There are numerous pay/credit solutions that are fair for all involved - none of which involve a pilot flying for free. It will be interesting to see what the JWT working group comes up with.
Regardless, ADG has always been a poor excuse for not allowing jetway trades. There are numerous pay/credit solutions that are fair for all involved - none of which involve a pilot flying for free. It will be interesting to see what the JWT working group comes up with.
08-18-2024, 11:13 AM
#184
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 930
A simple pay/credit for block time flown for the segment you operated as a JWT. JWT could be huge for commuters so I think getting less than ADG would be an OK tradeoff with them for the convenience of executing the trade in order to either remain at home (rather than do the turn back to the home hub) or make a commute flight home.
It gets more complicated if our JWT implementation allows for all of the flexibility that the FAs have with theirs. They can split a rotation in half, for instance, if the layover in the middle happens to be in their home city. There are solutions that the JWT group could come up with that would fairly distribute pay/credit between the two pilots involved, without the company getting a break on total rotation guarantee.
08-18-2024, 11:22 AM
#185
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,523
I agree with that solution in the case of giving away just one leg via JWT.
It gets more complicated if our JWT implementation allows for all of the flexibility that the FAs have with theirs. They can split a rotation in half, for instance, if the layover in the middle happens to be in their home city. There are solutions that the JWT group could come up with that would fairly distribute pay/credit between the two pilots involved, without the company getting a break on total rotation guarantee.
It gets more complicated if our JWT implementation allows for all of the flexibility that the FAs have with theirs. They can split a rotation in half, for instance, if the layover in the middle happens to be in their home city. There are solutions that the JWT group could come up with that would fairly distribute pay/credit between the two pilots involved, without the company getting a break on total rotation guarantee.
08-18-2024, 11:36 AM
#186
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Posts: 930
I don't think we'll get the flexibility the FAs have. the company will put some pretty hefty guradrails on our JWT. Not a bad thing really, again, jus tthe ability to avoid the turn and then commute back home or miss a commute entirely I think would more beneficial than what we have goin on now. Baby steps; crawl, walk, run and all that.
Perhaps, but C19 leaves the possibilities of our JWT wide open, subject to what the working group comes up with. Being able to trade away more than a single leg introduces many more possibilities - including allowing pilots who live in base to drop a penalty lap at the beginning / end of a trip.
08-18-2024, 11:42 AM
#187
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,599
With all due respect, you’re management’s dream candidate for the ALPA side of the negotiating table. You would’ve turned down average daily guarantee just to preserve a pilot’s ability to work a leg for free?
Regardless, ADG has always been a poor excuse for not allowing jetway trades. There are numerous pay/credit solutions that are fair for all involved - none of which involve a pilot flying for free. It will be interesting to see what the JWT working group comes up with.
Regardless, ADG has always been a poor excuse for not allowing jetway trades. There are numerous pay/credit solutions that are fair for all involved - none of which involve a pilot flying for free. It will be interesting to see what the JWT working group comes up with.
08-18-2024, 12:07 PM
#188
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 930
The company did not save a dime with what they did on the shuttle. It was a benefit conceived and asked for by pilots. I can absolutely assure you that 99% of the shuttle pilots loved it. In fact it was quite common to have a commuter or DH pilot stick his head in the cockpit and ask if the pilot in his seat wanted off. It even occasionally allowed a commuter to get to LGA when he might otherwise not get on the flight. It was so commonly used there were few who did not benefit from it and not one pilot lost a thing. When you can get a big pilot quality of life improvement that does not save the company a dime I call that a win. You can call it anything you want.
08-18-2024, 12:33 PM
#189
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
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Posts: 10,456
I'm a professional pilot and this is not a charity. I fully expect to show up to work every single day and get paid, period. I'm also not picking up stuff for free so DCA Joe can stay the night at home and get paid for the leg I fly. It's attitudes like these that made our contract full of gaping holes.
Last edited by notEnuf; 08-18-2024 at 12:45 PM.
08-18-2024, 01:14 PM
#190
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,599
I stated that one pilot flew a leg and wanted to be paid for it and wanted the 5 hour ADG. The company ended a program that probably had the highest pilot approval I have ever seen.
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