notEnuf

This is correct and if I recall correctly when they went to 9 hours it was designated before the SC starts. SC can be for one minute if they choose but what it is assigned as is what it is. Does anyone think the "new" 9 hour window can be arbitrarily extended to 12 after it starts? Nope!

sailingfun

This is a issue where you might win the battle but probably lose the war. Hopefully you have good people at DALPA who will codify a solution via a LOA with the company.

PC12HBC

Per the FAA, short call reserve means a period of time in which a flightcrew member is assigned to a reserve availability period (RAP).
Also per the FAA, a RAP is "a duty period during which a certificate holder requires a flight crew member on short call reserve to be available
to receive an assignment for a flight duty period (FDP)".

A phone call extending the SC/RAP does not sound like the assignment of a FDP to me.

Additionally, our PWA and SRH indicate that a pilot needs to be contactable by scheduling and be promptly available to report
for an assigned/awarded rotation (FDP), but neither indicates that a SC pilot has to be promptly available for an extension to their a SC period.

I don't see how we would be expected to be contactable by CS during SC for anything that is not an assigned or awarded rotation (FDP).

Considering the company could assign 12hr periods from the get-go, but chooses not to, I'm going to go out on a limb
and guess the extra 4 hrs is not very useful in the first place due to the FDP limits that come into play.
They are better off having a later-starting SC pilot available instead for those trips that become open right after the end of another pilot's 9hr window.

cencal83406

Sounds like “John Q De Lancie” needs to write the FAA and request an interpretation of short call RAP extensions.

CBreezy

Just what we need, a reason for the lawyers to water down 117 even further.

cencal83406

Which circles back to the Pandora’s box of pilots wanting ALPA to do something about short calls being extended. Quick way to never get released earlier than PWA specified.

CBreezy

Speaking of Pandora and her box, the union says "you cannot be assigned a trip that reports after your SC has expired." What's to prevent them from adding 2 hours to your SC then giving it to you anyways

Verdell

What about being promptly available for a Rest assignment? Can they call you on SC to end your SC early and put you into a 30 hour (or any) rest? That's not an FDP either.

cencal83406

would take some work on their part. They would have found the short call pilot ineligible for assignment as it would be in their rest or long call window. So in order to make this happen they’d have to violate the ladder and go backwards in coverage.

PC12HBC

The SRH discusses multiple short calls in succession and indicates CS can truncate a short call period to ensure required rest is met between those short call periods. It doesnt' specifty which period can be truncated, so I assume both the "current" one or the following one can be adjusted, which means they could end a short call period earlier than anticipated to provide a requied rest opportunity for the following SC.

It says in that situation they can only adjust the SC period within its original footprint, not slide it earlier or later. So, there is written precedent for shortening short call periods for accomodating required rest, but it is a specific situation that a pilot would need to opt into by requesting multiple short calls back-to-back.

I didn't mention that in my initial post because I didn't think it was very relevant to the extension of a short call window for the purposes of assigning a trip that reports later than would be otherwise assignable after the end of a pilot's SC window. There is no SRH or PWA langauge permitting that or telling pilots to be available for that, unlike the truncating of a SC window, which there is a limited and specific bit of SRH langauge for.

That being said, do you know of a different situation where has CS placed a pilot into rest before the end of their SC period?