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08-14-2024, 09:46 AM
#151
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08-14-2024, 09:59 AM
#152
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08-14-2024, 10:17 AM
#153
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May want to be careful picking at this particular scab....
PWA allows for SC up to 12 hours. The "standard" 9-hour block is a relatively new construct (4-ish years, maybe??). The "new" 6-hour block is just that: new.
I can foresee a very simple response by the company if this is pursued by DALPA beyond some basic Q&A: All SCs revert to 12 hours; don't bother calling for early release, the answer is "no"....
PWA allows for SC up to 12 hours. The "standard" 9-hour block is a relatively new construct (4-ish years, maybe??). The "new" 6-hour block is just that: new.
I can foresee a very simple response by the company if this is pursued by DALPA beyond some basic Q&A: All SCs revert to 12 hours; don't bother calling for early release, the answer is "no"....
08-14-2024, 10:24 AM
#154
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As far as the PWA, I don’t know. It basically says that scheduling can set the time as long as it doesn’t exceed 12 hours. They have obviously always been allowed to shorten a SC period once it starts and have done so many times. They would argue that they can do whatever they want as long as proper notification is made and the SC doesn’t exceed 12 hours. At best it’s probably a grey area and grey areas always tend to go in the company’s favor.
08-14-2024, 11:38 AM
#155
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I don’t know of anything in FAR 117 that prevents the company from extending an RAP once the RAP has started. The key is the pilot must be notified of such during the original RAP period.
As far as the PWA, I don’t know. It basically says that scheduling can set the time as long as it doesn’t exceed 12 hours. They have obviously always been allowed to shorten a SC period once it starts and have done so many times. They would argue that they can do whatever they want as long as proper notification is made and the SC doesn’t exceed 12 hours. At best it’s probably a grey area and grey areas always tend to go in the company’s favor.
As far as the PWA, I don’t know. It basically says that scheduling can set the time as long as it doesn’t exceed 12 hours. They have obviously always been allowed to shorten a SC period once it starts and have done so many times. They would argue that they can do whatever they want as long as proper notification is made and the SC doesn’t exceed 12 hours. At best it’s probably a grey area and grey areas always tend to go in the company’s favor.
08-14-2024, 11:46 AM
#156
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Precedent to me seems to be all those times someone isn't/can't be awarded an assignment on SC that reports after the end of their SC period. What was stopping this company all this time from just saying "yea so we're extending your SC from 9 to 10 hours so you can report for this rotation."?
08-14-2024, 12:20 PM
#157
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Precedent to me seems to be all those times someone isn't/can't be awarded an assignment on SC that reports after the end of their SC period. What was stopping this company all this time from just saying "yea so we're extending your SC from 9 to 10 hours so you can report for this rotation."?
08-14-2024, 02:03 PM
#158
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*I get the point, but I disagree there's any FAR illegality involved. It remains to be seen how it plays out re the PWA. I haven't seen anything definitive either way--I'd say this is (yet another) case of the company throwing (yet another) novel interpretation against the wall to see if it sticks....
@tennisguru said it well:
I don’t know of anything in FAR 117 that prevents the company from extending an RAP once the RAP has started. The key is the pilot must be notified of such during the original RAP period.
As far as the PWA, I don’t know. It basically says that scheduling can set the time as long as it doesn’t exceed 12 hours. They have obviously always been allowed to shorten a SC period once it starts and have done so many times. They would argue that they can do whatever they want as long as proper notification is made and the SC doesn’t exceed 12 hours. At best it’s probably a grey area and grey areas always tend to go in the company’s favor.
As far as the PWA, I don’t know. It basically says that scheduling can set the time as long as it doesn’t exceed 12 hours. They have obviously always been allowed to shorten a SC period once it starts and have done so many times. They would argue that they can do whatever they want as long as proper notification is made and the SC doesn’t exceed 12 hours. At best it’s probably a grey area and grey areas always tend to go in the company’s favor.
08-14-2024, 02:05 PM
#159
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Precedent to me seems to be all those times someone isn't/can't be awarded an assignment on SC that reports after the end of their SC period. What was stopping this company all this time from just saying "yea so we're extending your SC from 9 to 10 hours so you can report for this rotation."?
Could that be the end-goal of this new interpretation...??
08-14-2024, 04:18 PM
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