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08-04-2024, 05:36 PM
#121
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That has not changed in years. There is a policy to avoid discipline that is contractual. We wanted PS and the company added it via the FOM for a backup flight. They are two different things. I once flew a bunch of trips with a copilot who did about 4 years in the office. He said the pilots who have trouble getting to work were always pretty consistent. It was the same guys over and over outside of severe IROPS.
08-04-2024, 05:47 PM
#122
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08-04-2024, 06:08 PM
#123
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The addition of the UTC policy was by mutual agreement by the company and the union. It prevented severe disruption caused by "calling in honest." The problem is, the UTC policy does not require 2 hours between flights in order to be given a seat. A CPO adding a time requirement is trying to make things more difficult for people who abide by the FOM. In fact, years ago, the union put out a bulletin explaining that PWA required 2 hours while the FOM UTC did not.
The problem with the FOM policy is that it’s subject to modification and/or revocation by management at any time. Our negotiators have overlooked 23.X during the last few contract cycles, in part because of the perceived benefit of the FOM UTC policy.
It’s time to turn PWA 23.X into something that actually leads the industry.
08-04-2024, 06:53 PM
#124
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That has not changed in years. There is a policy to avoid discipline that is contractual. We wanted PS and the company added it via the FOM for a backup flight. They are two different things. I once flew a bunch of trips with a copilot who did about 4 years in the office. He said the pilots who have trouble getting to work were always pretty consistent. It was the same guys over and over outside of severe IROPS.
08-04-2024, 08:06 PM
#125
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This is just another thing in a long line of recent communications and positions that shows how out of touch and antagonistic flight ops management at Delta has become. All the way down to most CPOs now. Terrible leadership.
08-05-2024, 08:55 AM
#126
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The sad thing is I believe the VP of flight ops, BS, actually does seem like a good guy who cares. Maybe he’s too removed from these complaints to hear them, but I feel like if he heard it he would potentially try address a few of the items.
08-05-2024, 01:10 PM
#127
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Everyone says that, and I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt. But he’s now been in his current role for 6 months. There’s been little change in the behavior of middle management since.
08-05-2024, 01:19 PM
#128
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he comes off as a pilots’s pilot. And he may be, I’d like to think he is. But the actions of some of his subordinates do not indicate a pilot-friendly management tone. And that tone is set from above.
08-05-2024, 03:34 PM
#129
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We have had some terrible decisions from that level in the last 6 months and several of them were attacks on the PWA, pay, and QOL. Retroactive PR theft being the one I think he would have been happy to turn a blind eye had the pilot group not rioted.
08-05-2024, 04:29 PM
#130
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I agree, BS is one of the few leaders that know how to win/win.
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