First Break

Management is definitely watching this behavior.

I fear that collectively we have quickly forgotten the lessons learned over the last decade and a half. I really hope I am wrong, but the new blood around here may unknowingly stumble into another decade of naive "proactive engagement" if they are not careful.

TALPAtalker

I was pretty surprised to see this, having been hired from a non-union shop. I was raising eyebrows at many of the "proposals" suggested by rather senior pilots. I didn't hear any such ideas from the new hires.

myrkridia

Like that one piece of work that was about to go on vacation but not before admonishing pilots on Facebook for upholding the contract saying "forget the PWA ****" and claiming ALPA is worthless. Oh wait you said new guys, nvm this guy has been here almost 30 years and is a 350A.

In all seriousness this attitude transcends age and longevity. Some people outgrow it and others don't.

First Break

All probably true. Something about a rocking chair.

I did say “collectively” and hadn’t intended to denigrate new blood, but I can see how it sounded that way. The new blood comment was more as a warning that they may not like the next decade if this continues, as they probably have the most at stake at this point.

myrkridia

Good point and I wasn't throwing a spear at you, but expanding on the problem that it goes beyond new guys not knowing any better. It includes senior pilots who should absolutely know better and imparting this "wisdom" on the new generation.

32LatT10

My own $0.02 as someone in the IT industry but with no direct or indirect knowledge of this incident...

One possible finding that will come out of this event is that recovery procedures for the crew tracking system did not exist, were poorly documented, not well understood, were not comprehensive to account for this specific failure, and/or were not regularly tested. I'll qualify that with the disclaimer "I wasn't there" (similar to how pilots might opine on public reports of an aviation incident they were not party to).

Also, like an aviation incident, we will likely discover that there was no single root cause, but rather a combination of factors set into motion.

It is comforting to see the operation is now stable, but they do need to get to the bottom of what happened here and take concrete steps to prevent reoccurence. You all deserve far better.

Abouttime2fish

I do think there are some that knowingly violate PWA in hopes of large ‘get well’ paychecks later. Which does nothing but hurt the pilot group as a whole.

Nantonaku

That was my understanding too from reading the report from the IT guy. And that was the whole point of my post anyway before Trip called me an APC Cyberpunk - that it wasn’t the recovery from the OS failure that hurt us. It was the recovery of our services.

interceptorpilo

Yes. Our “resiliency “ is poor. American and United had very good resiliency. The focus should be on why ours is so bad and what do about it.

CRJphlyer

No side deals. Period. Fly the contract. Why help them? They won’t do anything to “help” us when we get into negotiations shortly.