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Old 07-24-2024, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Running an airline on bank hours during the biggest IROP in history did not help. Crazy to see CP offices empty after 6pm and on the weekends. And then no word from management until late Monday/Tuesday. If they had taken this problem seriously on Saturday it would have been cleaned up by Monday. It needed to be all hands on deck over the weekend, not on Tuesday.
that is NOT part of the CP job description. It's supposed to be a high paid, banker's hours job. That's why they "volunteer!"

Flipping pancakes, restocking the ice cream, and sending out 3 snarky emails is a full weekday of work. Expecting an RD and his Chiefs to lead from the front is too big an ask.

but it sure was a great day for golf on Sunday!
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Old 07-24-2024, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver
Wow, the optics on that is terrible. Especially while they are asking us not to nonrev. I probably would have sent someone else if I were him. Cancellations may be over but the mess still isn’t cleaned up.
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Old 07-24-2024, 11:45 AM
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Wow, the optics on that is terrible. Especially while they are asking us not to nonrev. I probably would have sent someone else if I were him. Cancellations may be over but the mess still isn’t cleaned up.
Very Bad optics, you send a proxy to represent Delta. You stay at the HQ and terminals.
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Old 07-24-2024, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Very Bad optics, you send a proxy to represent Delta. You stay at the HQ and terminals.
Oh, come on. He's getting better.

During the Spring Break 2016 (2017?) melt down, he spent the first two days of that debacle with "High Value Customers" at the Master's in Augusta. Once the Master's ended, he summonned a Delta Private Jet to fly him back to his office. His home office. The one in Palm Beach.

He is garbage. His only redeeming quality is that he surrounds himself with very good people.
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Old 07-24-2024, 02:43 PM
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Oh, come on. He's getting better.

During the Spring Break 2016 (2017?) melt down, he spent the first two days of that debacle with "High Value Customers" at the Master's in Augusta. Once the Master's ended, he summonned a Delta Private Jet to fly him back to his office. His home office. The one in Palm Beach.

He is garbage. His only redeeming quality is that he surrounds himself with very good people.
He's a banker...what do you expect?

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Old 07-24-2024, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
By all means, if you're an airline IT and Cyber securities expert, spread your wisdom. Otherwise I'll go with AI
If you put any faith into AI you need to step away from the controls of an aircraft.
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Old 07-24-2024, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Your words are correct, but this scenario was an expected challenge. We've had IT outages before, other airlines have had outages, it is an expected scenario. Pilots train for a variety of emergencies because although rare, they are expected challenges. FAs regularly train on evacuating an airplane because it is an expected challenge. It is a failure of epic proportion that our managment team doesn't train to the same standard as the front line employees.

EB and his subordinates need to revisit their B school reading list. "Anti Fragile" by Nassim Taleb had to be on the list somewhere.
EB has read it.

Listen, when 100% of your front line operational computer systems all take a dump at the same exact time - the magnitude of this is lost on many here - no book by Taleb is gonna help.

This was akin to a cyber attack, albeit an "innocent" one. The very group hired to protect our systems from such events, ironically was the very source of this system wide crash

I've seen the magnitude at how far this affected our systems, which are pretty robust compared to many other places. Rebuilding the operation from basic scratch in a little under 4 days was pretty impressive to watch.


​​​​​​As in the past our ability to communicate between credws and Mecca and back must be fixed. We seen this many, many times before in previous melts, let's hope they get the message - finally.
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Old 07-24-2024, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DogPit
If you put any faith into AI you need to step away from the controls of an aircraft.
I use autopilot more than stick and rudder. It is a computer assisted tool that helps me do my job.

How much experience do you have using different AI tools? Have you tried it to create music or images? What about as a replacement for Google/Bing search? How about proofreading? Try a few simple prompts. There are many useful ways it can augment human performance. AI won't replace humans anytime soon, but humans who know how to use AI will replace the ones who don't.
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EB has read it.

Listen, when 100% of your front line operational computer systems all take a dump at the same exact time - the magnitude of this is lost on many here - no book by Taleb is gonna help.

So did every other airline read a different version of the book than Ed did?

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Originally Posted by Boatbuilder
How is it fraud when I thoroughly explained the situation AND provided a receipt?
Sometimes a “legal expense” is not a “legal expense”….. so I guess it depends who looks at it.
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